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roachboy · 01-09-2006, 12:46 PM

would someone from the right explain to me why exactly they treat ALL questions about the restriction of civil liberties--real or percieved--with the assumed exception of gun control--in such a cavalier manner?

i dont see how this squares with the libertarian strain that you see floating to the surface in so many other conversations from the right...

on the other hand, i assume that these problems are treated as they are because a republican administration is in power--but even given this, what i see as a systematic refusal to take these questions seriously makes no sense.

another way of posing the same question: one explanation that i can come up with is the status of this "war on terror" thing--how folk from the right understand it, what relation they create between themselves and this "war"---for myself, i do not see anything coherent in this bushpolicy or discourse, frankly--perhaps this explains why this kind of information about surveillance bothers me as it does (in general)---

i have raised questions on this order before and probably will again----but right now the gratification to be had from repetition eludes me. (if there was no such gratification i doubt seriously that i would still be participating in this forum. that i dont walk around thinking "how nice is repetition is nice how" changes nothing)---but from what i have seen, there is a direct correlation.

so is this debate really about the putative topic, or is it about a cluster of other matters that converge in ways that are a function of political (or aesthetic) committments that are not necessarily directly addressed in the op?

01-09-2006, 12:46 PM	#13 (permalink)
roachboy Super Moderator Location: essex ma	would someone from the right explain to me why exactly they treat ALL questions about the restriction of civil liberties--real or percieved--with the assumed exception of gun control--in such a cavalier manner? i dont see how this squares with the libertarian strain that you see floating to the surface in so many other conversations from the right... on the other hand, i assume that these problems are treated as they are because a republican administration is in power--but even given this, what i see as a systematic refusal to take these questions seriously makes no sense. another way of posing the same question: one explanation that i can come up with is the status of this "war on terror" thing--how folk from the right understand it, what relation they create between themselves and this "war"---for myself, i do not see anything coherent in this bushpolicy or discourse, frankly--perhaps this explains why this kind of information about surveillance bothers me as it does (in general)--- i have raised questions on this order before and probably will again----but right now the gratification to be had from repetition eludes me. (if there was no such gratification i doubt seriously that i would still be participating in this forum. that i dont walk around thinking "how nice is repetition is nice how" changes nothing)---but from what i have seen, there is a direct correlation. so is this debate really about the putative topic, or is it about a cluster of other matters that converge in ways that are a function of political (or aesthetic) committments that are not necessarily directly addressed in the op? __________________ a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear it make you sick. -kamau brathwaite Last edited by roachboy; 01-09-2006 at 12:49 PM..