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Originally Posted by macmanmike6100
WOW, where'd you pull that one from? All Pan said was that eliminating individual freedom is not the way to stop terrorism. There are far better ways than implementing a draconian government.
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Oh really?
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Originally Posted by pan6467
I'm lucky I have never had any problems in airports. Except Orlando, where the lines were pretty long (but compared to some of the lines in Disney they were nothing).
Is there always going to be a risk of hijackers? YES.
Is there any surefire security? NO.
If you profile, they'll just get around it by using the least suspectable people.
If you random, they'll just send 3-4 at a time and at least 1-2 will get through if not all of them.
If you look for the nervous types, you are an idiot, the hijackers are probably going to be the coolest people in the terminal.
If you look for the coolest people in the airport, they'll be the nervous ones.
We may complain about security and believe it is not up to standards, but how many more rights, long of waits and so on do you want?
I feel the security is as good as it can get given our freedoms and liberties. Taking anymore would be foolish.
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Translation, there is no way to stop hijackers if they want to hijack.
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If someone is determined enough they'll find ways..... thank God noone has since 9/11, but there will be another hijacking, it is inevitable. And then what? Do we give away more rights and liberties? Run scared and let the government control that much more of our lives? And the terrorists will still hijack, still create troubles....
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Again there is no way to stop hijackers, and it will happen again.
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I say no, the very fact we have freedoms and liberties maybe what is saving us. Look at how terrorism runs rampant in Isreal. They give up rights we have and still get it far worse than we ever will.
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Very odd connection with Israel which is unrelated to anything we face but he brings it up anyways. Perhaps someone needs to look at a map of Israel and the region prior to bringing it up.
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Our saving grace maybe the fact that with FREEDOM, comes laziness and more love and respect for us when they get here.
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Must kill the infidels, must kill the infidels, must kill...oh curly fries!
America, come to martyr yourself, stay for the pie!
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To me, 9/11 was an aberration (and you can hate me, you can view me as nuts, uncaring, whatever...... for this view). It was an abberation because I truly believe even those who planned it probably did not expect it to work.
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Ummmm they expected it to work, they didn't expect it to work so well that the buildings would fall, but the point is it DID work.
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We have had 3 major acts of terrorism on our soil...... WTC 1 (1993), OKC (1995), and WTC 2 (9/11/2001).
1 of the three was from one of our own.
The 2 "true Muslim terrorist attacks" occurred the year after a presidential change. (If you blame Clinton for the second, it would follow you would have to blame Bush I for the first attack).
Only once were airplanes involved.
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Ok and....
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My point is in the years I have been alive, the USA has been safe, in fact it is safe today. All the BS about raising the alerts and taking away rights, freedoms and liberties, is just that BS. The patriot Act and Bush with his illegal wiretaps and the security at airports and so on, only take away our freedoms.... In the end the terrorists will have more freedoms than we do. They are used to working in strict confines regarding freedoms, the loss of rights and freedoms will hinder and hurt us far more than ANY terrorist ever could.... and the fact when they get here and experience the freedoms we do have, perhaps, just perhaps, the freedoms end up meaning more than attacking us.
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I know when I have to wait that extra fifteen minutes in line I KNOW THE TERRORISTS HAVE ALREADY WON! Give me a break.
Now for the translation again.
#1 We can never stop terrorists.
#2 Our only defense is that they get here and have such a hunky dory time that they decide not to kill the infidels.
#3 Therefore we should give up looking for terrorists as it only makes us suffer.
This is wishywashy feel good BS. I think they need to start showing people jumping to there deaths on 9/11 hand in hand again to remind some of you with short memories of WHY we would like to not see this sort of thing happen again. Of course the media is afraid that it would just 'stir hatred' to show those images again. Might stir some sense into the left too. Saying we can stop all attacks is foolish, but so is saying there will be no prevention either, and the harder we make it for them, the less damage to life and the nations economy we will suffer. Perhaps they will think of a new way to attack us that we are not looking for, but it would be criminal to let them do it the same way again.