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The complaint was who he spent money on while letting go of his "stars". I don't dey he got great payback in Calero and Haren. That shows my case in his ability to read young talent. But to get the oomph and F/A he needs to advance he spends stupidly.

I used Dylan's link on the average salary. Which showed the numbers I provided. I did not think the average salary of players and payroll #'s would differ as much.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2268047

I mean if I have 24 guys and their average is 3 mill I would believe the payroll would be $72 mill. I guess somehow there is a discrepency between the 2. I have the payroll website in my favorites (from when I commisioned my salcap baseball league) I should have just gone there.



And what of the AL? http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/hi...son/mlb_ds.jsp

2005 Anaheim 3, New York 2 || Chicago 3, Boston 0
2004 New York 3, Minnesota 1 || Boston 3, Anaheim 0
2003 New York 3, Minnesota 1 || Boston 3, Oakland 2
2002 Anaheim 3, New York 1 || Minnesota 3, Oakland 2
2001 New York 3, Oakland 2 || Seattle 3, Cleveland 2

No Balt., Toronto, Tamp Bay, K.C., Detroit, Texas.

Meanwhile, Minnesota has since sold the players they need, Cleveland could not maintain the payroll, Oakland is Oakland and was lucky they had the pitching but now that Seattle and Anaheim are spending Oakland maybe left behind. The A.L. central maybe locked now that Chicago is the only team spending. The A.L. East is pretty much a lock, because the Yankees and Bosox can get whomever they want at anytime.


So when Fla. wins then starts dismantling the team because they can't even afford the $48 mill salary that won everything, that's ok?


I just think that MLB is killing itself and the smaller franchises. Like I said, sure maybe, maybe once a year a small payroll team will be there but what's the point of winning and then dismantling everything because you can't afford the team?

I guess it would be easy to just cut the teams that can't afford to compete? Or tell the owners to go deeper into debt so that they can?
Or just say the team sucks because they cannot afford to compete.

Cincy spends they are just idiots in the front office and spend unwisely.... and Jr.'s salary has them limited also. Philly, just spent stupidly also, paying too much for Thome. But in both cases the teams were opening new stadiums and needed a marquee player to get fans. Plus, as much as I love JR he really put the Reds in a pickle by saying he only wanted to play there and so if they hadn't found the money the fans would have been pissed. Had he stayed healthy, Cincy may have been able to contend a few of those years also.

Even when middle- small market teams do spend they have to overpay just to get good players.... the superstars they have a very low chance of getting at all. JR was an aberration but even then the Reds truly could not afford him.

San Diego may have saved Cleveland by signing Giles and Hoffman, because to play in Cleveland they were going to have to be overpaid aging stars. San Diego overpaid probably but had to to keep their fan base. I doubt they will truly be able to contend past this year, and this year could be shaky. So those signings in the end will come back and haunt them.

Az. showed what happened when you try to build a team by "deferred" money. You mortgage your future and run in debt for years.

You seem to forget it was not that many years ago when Bud Selig stated there were a few teams that could not make payroll, and some of them would be surprising.

I just see that MLB over the past few years has truly been destroying the small market teams. There truly is no level playing field. They need to fix the system.

The trend just in the past 5-10 years proves this.

The White Sox are betting that they can now draw fans. It's a huge gamble, if they don't this season I look for them to firesale also. (Which dumping Thomas' salary for Thome's is either going to make them or break them.)

What's sad is you have owners that are probably giving up and just trying to get 1 or 2 name players just to get fans in the seats so they can limit their losses. Which is going to kill them because again the fan base is going to lose faith.

You just cannot keep the payroll disparity up and believe MLB is healthy and in great shape. It's dying, and probably 1/2 the teams are in extremely sad shape, financially.

The system needs fixed.

You can't keep ripping apart teams and expect your fans to keep their interest.

No other sport rips apart their teams like baseball does.

the NFL and NBA not only have sal caps but "franchise players" and the "Larry Bird Clause" and in any given year any team can compete. It's up to the GM's then to put together the team.

As much as everyone says MLB is a business, people seem to still expect owners to run deeply into the red to compete. And if they don't their fan base shrinks and they lose money anyway.

Now tell me any other business where an owner is expected to run year after year in the red?

The owners need to make money on their investment. Even if they sell for more than what they bought, they have all the years they ran in the red that they need to make up for also.

Take Cleveland, Dolan, I believe, overpaid and bought a winning team for around $300 million. He inherited a payroll that could not be sustained and has lost 10's of millions. So now in order to make money if he sold the team, he'd probably have to sell for $500 million which noone will pay for. He'd be lucky to get the $300 million back.

And I have a feeling there are a lot of teams in that situation.

Whereas, NFL and NBA teams are more stable and more attractive to owners, and can make a profit. And any team can build and compete and the fans can have playoff dreams. MLB it just isn't there anymore and won't be until they fix the system.

You cannot have the top 10 teams spending $114.7 MILLION more than the other 22 teams COMBINED and expect there to be true competition over any length of time.

Nor can you expect any of those top 10 teams to continue to spend in the red, or expect the other 22 teams to. Yet, other than the Phillies and maybe Angels the rest of the top 10 can at least maintain the current payroll, if not continue to raise it to some degree, while the rest of MLB watches their fan base decrease, their revenues get maxed and never have a chance. Except to be a 1 year wonder.

The time has come for sal caps and to do what is best for ALL the fans of baseball not just NY, Boston, and very few other cities.

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