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Originally Posted by Justsomeguy
For example, if I believe in a prime mover of all that exists is outside of the realm of constriction and you are referring to time and space being outside the realm of quantitative constriction, then how is our belief really any different?
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Really, they're not different. What I'm really arguing is, why personify that as God? but then again..
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Of course, a personal God is probably superfluous.
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so..
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Originally Posted by asaris
But God, if he exists, exists necessarily. So we don't need a reason for his existence -- he exists because he has to
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Just as easily, similar qualities can be assumed about Nature.