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Old 12-24-2005, 03:13 PM   #24 (permalink)
dlish
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kostya...

sorry to the late reply...

Now, do I think the Bali bombers ought to have been executed? Well, first of all, I don't think deterrence is a very good argument against folk like this, that is to say people who are willing to blow themselves up are unlikely to be discouraged by the death penalty.

true. but on the other hand it also decreases the number of those that may have contemplated it..those that do not have the same bent as people like amrosi, but may have had an inclination to support people like amrosi. therefore by introducing mandatory death sentences we are proportionally decreasing the number of potential terrorist (or would be terrorists) because they havent had the indoctrination instilled in them and their views may falter with the introduction of the death sentence.


Secondly, will executing Amrose and anyone else bring back a single soul from Kuta beach? No it will not. Does imprisoning Amrose for life (given a certain number of restrictions on communication and so forth) prevent him from ever reoffending, or helping in any such act again? Yes I think it does. So too does executing him I suppose.

[I]execution isnt about teaching amrosi any sort of lesson. its moreso a deterrent to other wouldbe terrorists or would be offenders albeit terrorism, drugg smugling, murder etc.[I]

However, is it possible that someone could be tried, found guilty and executed for a terrorism when they were innocent? I can concieve of it. Therefore I do not favour the death penalty for terror suspects, given that imprisoning them in suitably well thought out facilities will prevent them from reoffending, and should it later come to light that they were innocent allow for them to be released as justice would clearly dictate.

i can think of one such place which is supposedly a 'well thought out facility that will prevent suspects from re-offending, and hould it come to light that they were innocent allow for them to be released as justice would clearly dictate'... this place is called guantanamo bay where we have an australian citizen who has broken no australian or international law and is innocent of vague charges levelled against him who is being held without his rights as chartered in the geneva conventions, yet..he hasnt been released "as justice would clearly dictate". if at least one citizen is supposedly inncent, im sure that a few more of the 500 left languishing in there would be too. that justification gives the view that mass imprisonment ok prisoners is ok even though they may be found innocent later... doesnt make sense.

i can also think of a few more secret places where suspects get rendered to, but this isnt the political forum, so i wont keep going



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true..and justice is relative. singaporean justice is relative to the ideals and morals and codes of that country. by entering it you agree to abide by its laws or face consequences should you not. but as human beings we also have an innate sense of justice not to steal/hurt people, kill etc. however, justice administered through some sort of controlled system would be acceptable, especially if the people living there are happy to accept those laws. and if not then they should look elsewhere to live.


Certainly I am less opposed to the execution of Amrose, if indeed he is guilty, which certainly appears to be the case. In fact I might even feel good about it, but feelings ought not dictate what kind of legal provisions we ought to take, rational thoughts do. My thoughts tell me very clearly that despite any feelings I might have, the fallibility of judicial courts means that the death penalty is not a provision that we ought to adopt.


amrosi knew the consequences and accepted his fate, as did mr nguyen. do i feel good about them? no of ocurse not.. i also dont think that the death sentence would work here in australia because our society morals/codes/ideals do not allow it here. so who is right? pro death/anti death? neither.... in some circumstances pro in others anti... its all relative to where you are and what you do. certainly drink driving wont get you executed.
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