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Originally Posted by aceventura3
The person who started this discussion is going to one of the more expensive colleges in the country, yet he complained about a government cut in a student loan program. He further complained about needing to sell his car. In other words we are talking about someone wanting a government handout, but does not want to make a personal sacrifice. His education is not free. Many hard working people who never had an opportunity and will never benefit from going to a big prestigious university are paying for the program he complains about. The government takes dollars from the guy just getting by for another guy's benefit and it is as if no one realizes that. And then the guy getting the benefit doesn't even say thanks.
Government sponsored training programs are a drop in the bucket. First a person gets a basic education through highschool, then they can go to a subsidized junior college or a state school. If a person f***'s off thier high school education, can't read, do math, and write, I am willing to help those people, but at some point they need to pay the cost for that. Real job training happens in the private sector, all the private sector needs are people who can read, write, do math, and think. The real problem is most people with no skills don't want to start at the bottom.
First no one is starving in this country. Second if we did not have food stamps, people and charitable organizations will step-up and help. I know you would, I would, and everyone else on this forum would. Even during the Great Depression, without food stamps, people did not starve.
We have the best healthcare in the world. People live longer than ever before. We spend more money not less on medical care. Infant survival rates are high than at anytime in history.
Where would you draw the line between socialism and allowing people to benefit from hardwork and sacrifice?
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First I started the thread, I am not going to one of the most expensive colleges, nor am I complaining about having to sell a car.
Actually other than my recent medical bills that now stand at $25,000, I am doing quite well for myself. (and I have recieved a 4th phone call telling me if I quit my job I will qualify for aid on my bills, which I have said and continue to say is BS...... why would you not help someone who actually is bettering society, instead of telling them to quit and then get the help needed?)
Just because I am though does not mean that the kids coming up will be.
If you care to take me up on the debate I offered fine.....
As for infant mortality rates we are behind most other comparable countries, we in fact rank with several 3rd world countries..... Evidence I have posted and reposted on several threads.
As for our life exdpectency, again it is behind most othe comparable other countries again... Evidence I have posted and reposted on several threads.
Both go by per capita and percentages not based on how many people live in the country.
Name some companies that pay $50,000 jobs that train people, who start at the ground level without a college degree.
I posted a challenge of a debate, you are more than welcome to take me up on it.
I just believe as I have stated,
if you want to cut social spending.... then prove it needs done and is beneficial to the nation and do it..... we probably could cut pork.
If you want to cut taxes on the rich.... then prove it is needed and will help the nation and do it
But it is suicidal to the country's economy, the welfare of the middle and lower classes and is just showing greed when you do both. It's not justifiable in any way.
I can also prove, that I who make $12,000 roughly pay more of a percentage of my income in taxes than the rich...... yet they cry that they pay too much? AND I make too little to qualify for any healtchcare or education programs (except student loans).
I have no problem paying taxes, IF the money is going to advance the future of this nation..... by cutting education, healthcare and social benefits then cutting the taxes for the rich.... it's not helping the future of the country.