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Originally Posted by Grey2000
As you say, perception. And what shapes perception ?
Who's opinions mean something to Joe Average ?
Mainstream news media, stand-up comics, celebrities and cartoonists.
Sounds simplistic, but its true.
Ooohh, and wait, what side do they lean to I wonder ?
Also, I live in South Africa and my perception hasn't changed. I believe in what America stands for and believe in her intentions for the middle-east and the world.
Nixon used to refer to the 'silent majority' - myself and millions others worldwide form part of that group.
Because its a socially-established meme (through repetition) that bush=hitler its actually socially unacceptable to support the Bush administration, which means that polls won't tell the whole story, because people are reluctant to admit their support.
America's worldwide support would be just fine if her own citizens could look past their utopian ideologies and face the harsh realties of the modern world.
An America united behind president Bush ('we support the troops' doesn't cut it) would have seen the Iraq well on its way to peace and prosperity already.
The fact that liberals are so commited to ideology above reality that they would actively undermine their own armed forces is reprehensible to me.
Thank God liberalism didn't have such a shrill voice in the 40's.
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Ideology above reality? I don't agree. We've been spouting reality since before this debacle of a war began. Iraq was doing just fine without us going in the in the first place. And don't give me any "well Saddam was a bad man and he had to go so we had no choice but to invade" crap. Everytime some sheep spouts this from their mouth I reply with why are Castro, Kim IL Sung, Hu Jintao still in power? I have yet to receive an answer.
Just in case you don't remember, Bush had approval ratings of 85% right after 9/11 happened. The entire country was behind him in the goal of capturing Bin Laden. Now, four years later, he has since pissed it all away with his underground policies and secret agendas. All in the name of "security”. Hogwash. Bush did it to himself.
I also don't think that liberals purposely try to undermine our armed forces. I'm curious to where to got this perception. If anything, liberals are more responsible with our armed forces by using them when there is an actual need instead of fabricating evidence to send them to their premature deaths.
Grey, you need to understand that if any piece of America is destroyed; including all the freedoms that we currently have, then the terrorists have won. Once we turn our state of freedom, democracy, and liberty into a police state, they have won. We have laws and procedures that allow us everything we need to do to engage the enemy in this war but Bush chose to circumvent those procedures claiming that they would take too long. That's ridiculous since the courts can approve surveillance warrants in a matter of minutes if necessary. There was no reason for Bush to circumvent the system. The only reason he did it is that he knew it would be illegal. He even goes to the point where he got desperate to keep the story from breaking out. See this
link. NSA officials even demanded that their names be taken off the order to eavesdrop because they questioned the legality of the order.
You want to know why I fight my government? I fight my current government because they are liars. Because they are crooks. Because they are cold-blooded murders. I fight them because they are against everything that this country stands for and that they try and justify every illegal action they do by hiding behind their 9/11 curtain by sending Bush on TV every week or so (notice how the intervals between the "please keep supporting the war" speeches have gotten shorter and shorter since Bush's approval rating has fallen further into the toilet) "pleading" his case to America trying to get the sheep in line with speeches that he didn't write. If we allow Bush to get away with this, then this is the beginning of the end of this great nation. I don't agree with the way my country was founded (on the backs of indigenous peoples) but I believe in the IDEA of America. The idea that ALL its citizens shall have life, liberty, and freedom from persecution. Bush does not believe in any of these things. I knew that the day he took office and on last Saturday, I believe that his admission was the straw that finally broke the camels back.
I believe in America. I believe in freedom. That makes me and anyone else who agrees with me TRUE patriots.