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Old 12-21-2005, 01:23 AM   #226 (permalink)
Grey2000
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Well, since you asked...

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It's a little bit of both, depending on the strength of the organization and where we are with the "war" on them.
So no real decision one way or the other then ?

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We must protect ourselves from enemies foreign and domestic but we cannot sacrifice all that we believe in to do so. If we choose to go that route then the enemy has won far more than we ever will.
You don't have to sacrifice all you believe in, but you do have to recognize that the situation has changed - globally, and as you must well know, the compromise for the sake of security is always at the expense of freedom, without exception.

Trouble is you look down the road and think that every change to accomodate security will lead to a fascist state.

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Does this answer give any legitimacy to the illegal actions and fear mongering this administration has done?
'Fear Mongering' ? So there really aren't international terrorist organizations who will stop at nothing to kill and maim their ideological enemies, with their ultimate aim being the complete destruction of the non-islamofascist world? That was just made up ?

So here's the real truth, the perceptive break that liberals have with conservatives. Liberals believe that the threat is exagerated, conservatives believe we don't take it seriously enough.

Only one can be true though. Wonder which it is ?

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Absolutely not. We must find ways to battle without sacrificing the rights and way of life the enemy seems determined to destroy.
I love that 'must find ways' what does that mean in real terms ? when you're not willing to give up any of your freedoms at all ?

Another liberal trait - lots of things we shouldn't do, not many suggestions about what we should do.


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They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security.
Yeah, but read that quote carefully. The key word is 'essential' what essential liberties have you lost.

As to being accused of non-patriotism etc. It may seem cruel or nasty for you ta have been labeled in such a way. But if you believe that fighting your government will protect your country more than fighting the evil ideology it faces - then you are certainly not being patriotic, and whether you like it not, whether its done for the 'right reasons' or not, whether its 'speaking truth to power' or not is immaterial - you are harming your nations efforts.

For every action there is a consequence. You may not like the fact that your beliefs are an aid and comfort to the enemy but that doesn't stop it from being true.

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OOO so because of my ideology now that gives the president the ok to commit illegal acts???????
No, its your ideological outlook that convinces you that the actions are illegal.
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