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pan6467 · 12-20-2005, 07:09 AM

I just don't get it, every other comparable country out there is spending more on educating their youth, helping their elderly and healthcare and run far less deficits than we do, have better infant mortality rates, standard of living, less families in debt, less of a trade deficit and less poverty.

Yet, here we are supposedly the greatest nation in the world and we are in pathetic shape and getting worse.

It's like the people in power now and who argue to cut all these things PLUS give out tax cuts are saying to the youth, "We got ours fuck you."

For the first time in our nations history we have a generation doing worse than their parents? And this is acceptable?

Look, if the Right wants to cut student loans, raise Medicare premiums and so on.... then make your argument and do it. Perhaps, it does need to be done....

But then to fucking cut taxes on the wealthy??????

This causes the states to raise sales taxes... taxes that hurt the poor, far more than the rich.

It raises property taxes, again taxes that cripple the poor (even renters as their rents go up), yet do little harm to the rich.

It raises State and local income taxes.... again taxes that hurt the poor far more than the wealthy because the wealthy have the means to move to where taxes are cheaper, moving costs money the poor don't have.

It raises the need for school levies or programs and basic education suffer.... again destroying the poor, the rich don't care because they have the means to send their kids to private schools.

The tax monies have to be gathered somewhere.

I guarantee I pay more of a percentage of taxes than anyone on here making over $50,000 (if not less). I pay more of a percentage of my income than my father, who makes 7 figures.

I am sick and tired of hearing the Right cry how taxes are so unfair to them when they pay less of a percentage than the poor the demonize, they deem lazy, they deem as not worthy..... yet, they also refuse to make sure those poor they complain and belittle about, cannot advance by cutting their education, raising the hidden taxes and the taxes above that affect the poor far more than them, and laugh about it, rather than even debate the issues at hand.

It's pathetic, and it needs to end.

What is truly sad is the party doing this to the poor, claim to be the "Pro-Christian" party, and feed into their fears to get elected.

If the Right ran on economics alone and not on the religious trump card and the prejudices of the supporters they hold, they would lose in landslides. But they thrive on people's fears and then destroy the nation by running extremely dangerous deficits, cutting social spending and cutting taxes for the rich.

IF you want to cut social spending cut it..... if you want to cut taxes for the rich, then cut them ..... but it is suicidal to the nation and to society as we know it to do both.

I challenege anyone on the right to debate how your economic platform truly helps the country as a whole.... the only rules are YOU NEED TO BACKUP EVERYTHING YOU SAY WITH FACTS PROVIDED FROM RELIABLE SOURCES.... AND I WILL DO THE SAME....... anyone??????? No personal attacks, no belittling/ insulting each other (we are all pretty intelligent we don't need to be talked down to), just providing facts and treating each other with respect. (A personal attack or belittling and insulting as deemed by a neutral moderator is automatic loss of the debate and 10 days banning..... any takers???)

DISCLAIMER: USTWO is exempted because it has been proven that the 2 of us cannot act civilly toward each other, and neither has any respect for the other.... and I have him on ignore so I can't debate someone I ignore). If someone else on the Left would want to take that task then I'll defer to them.

I doubt very much I get a taker, instead, I'll just get personally attacked, ignored or they'll change the subject.

Just a nice true debate.... there are some of you who have debated me on here and they can attest I keep it civil..... and those people have also (Stevo, Mojo, Longbough, Seaver come to mind as people I have had civil debates here with that I gained a true amount of respect for afterward)

12-20-2005, 07:09 AM	#19 (permalink)
pan6467 Lennonite Priest Location: Mansfield, Ohio USA	I just don't get it, every other comparable country out there is spending more on educating their youth, helping their elderly and healthcare and run far less deficits than we do, have better infant mortality rates, standard of living, less families in debt, less of a trade deficit and less poverty. Yet, here we are supposedly the greatest nation in the world and we are in pathetic shape and getting worse. It's like the people in power now and who argue to cut all these things PLUS give out tax cuts are saying to the youth, "We got ours fuck you." For the first time in our nations history we have a generation doing worse than their parents? And this is acceptable? Look, if the Right wants to cut student loans, raise Medicare premiums and so on.... then make your argument and do it. Perhaps, it does need to be done.... But then to fucking cut taxes on the wealthy?????? This causes the states to raise sales taxes... taxes that hurt the poor, far more than the rich. It raises property taxes, again taxes that cripple the poor (even renters as their rents go up), yet do little harm to the rich. It raises State and local income taxes.... again taxes that hurt the poor far more than the wealthy because the wealthy have the means to move to where taxes are cheaper, moving costs money the poor don't have. It raises the need for school levies or programs and basic education suffer.... again destroying the poor, the rich don't care because they have the means to send their kids to private schools. The tax monies have to be gathered somewhere. I guarantee I pay more of a percentage of taxes than anyone on here making over $50,000 (if not less). I pay more of a percentage of my income than my father, who makes 7 figures. I am sick and tired of hearing the Right cry how taxes are so unfair to them when they pay less of a percentage than the poor the demonize, they deem lazy, they deem as not worthy..... yet, they also refuse to make sure those poor they complain and belittle about, cannot advance by cutting their education, raising the hidden taxes and the taxes above that affect the poor far more than them, and laugh about it, rather than even debate the issues at hand. It's pathetic, and it needs to end. What is truly sad is the party doing this to the poor, claim to be the "Pro-Christian" party, and feed into their fears to get elected. If the Right ran on economics alone and not on the religious trump card and the prejudices of the supporters they hold, they would lose in landslides. But they thrive on people's fears and then destroy the nation by running extremely dangerous deficits, cutting social spending and cutting taxes for the rich. IF you want to cut social spending cut it..... if you want to cut taxes for the rich, then cut them ..... but it is suicidal to the nation and to society as we know it to do both. I challenege anyone on the right to debate how your economic platform truly helps the country as a whole.... the only rules are YOU NEED TO BACKUP EVERYTHING YOU SAY WITH FACTS PROVIDED FROM RELIABLE SOURCES.... AND I WILL DO THE SAME....... anyone??????? No personal attacks, no belittling/ insulting each other (we are all pretty intelligent we don't need to be talked down to), just providing facts and treating each other with respect. (A personal attack or belittling and insulting as deemed by a neutral moderator is automatic loss of the debate and 10 days banning..... any takers???) DISCLAIMER: USTWO is exempted because it has been proven that the 2 of us cannot act civilly toward each other, and neither has any respect for the other.... and I have him on ignore so I can't debate someone I ignore). If someone else on the Left would want to take that task then I'll defer to them. I doubt very much I get a taker, instead, I'll just get personally attacked, ignored or they'll change the subject. Just a nice true debate.... there are some of you who have debated me on here and they can attest I keep it civil..... and those people have also (Stevo, Mojo, Longbough, Seaver come to mind as people I have had civil debates here with that I gained a true amount of respect for afterward) __________________ I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?" Last edited by pan6467; 12-20-2005 at 07:22 AM..