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pan6467 · 12-20-2005, 06:30 AM

To me it's still illegal. When they can only point to 1 case, the FISA law prohibits ANY wiretaps on US persons without a warrant.

IF they are using the Patriot Act as defense saying that allows illegal wiretaps as a "defense", then I would argue that part of the Patriot act is illegal in and of itself and should never be renewed.

Now, if this "30 second phone call" is being used also, I would argue that you obviously are already tapping and therefore could have filed the warrant as the tap happens, or as argued above even AFTER the fact. But Bush refused to get any warrants at all, which leads me to question why?

Sorry, I just can't drink Bush's piss and pretend it's lemonade...... some on the Right can but I tend to believe it is their blind hatred for the Left rather than their love for Bush that allows them to do so.

This was obviously written by someone defending Bush, so it is just as biased as though attacking him. Somewhere in the middle lies the truth and we should find it, and if he is guilty we should prosecute to the fullest extent..... IF he didn't then we need to look at the loopholes he used and make sure they are extremely narrow and cannot be abused.

(Something the Bush supporters seem to totally ignore, if Bush goes this far and sets a precedent, the next President, may decide to take it further and so on. When we give ANYONE a power such as this (if in fact we have given it) then we must make a priority of making sure it can never be abused.)

P.S. When posting an article you're supposed to add your thoughts to it and show the link. Not trying to be a prick, just letting you know the rules.

12-20-2005, 06:30 AM	#188 (permalink)
pan6467 Lennonite Priest Location: Mansfield, Ohio USA	To me it's still illegal. When they can only point to 1 case, the FISA law prohibits ANY wiretaps on US persons without a warrant. IF they are using the Patriot Act as defense saying that allows illegal wiretaps as a "defense", then I would argue that part of the Patriot act is illegal in and of itself and should never be renewed. Now, if this "30 second phone call" is being used also, I would argue that you obviously are already tapping and therefore could have filed the warrant as the tap happens, or as argued above even AFTER the fact. But Bush refused to get any warrants at all, which leads me to question why? Sorry, I just can't drink Bush's piss and pretend it's lemonade...... some on the Right can but I tend to believe it is their blind hatred for the Left rather than their love for Bush that allows them to do so. This was obviously written by someone defending Bush, so it is just as biased as though attacking him. Somewhere in the middle lies the truth and we should find it, and if he is guilty we should prosecute to the fullest extent..... IF he didn't then we need to look at the loopholes he used and make sure they are extremely narrow and cannot be abused. (Something the Bush supporters seem to totally ignore, if Bush goes this far and sets a precedent, the next President, may decide to take it further and so on. When we give ANYONE a power such as this (if in fact we have given it) then we must make a priority of making sure it can never be abused.) P.S. When posting an article you're supposed to add your thoughts to it and show the link. Not trying to be a prick, just letting you know the rules. __________________ I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?" Last edited by pan6467; 12-20-2005 at 06:35 AM..