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Originally Posted by Lansky
On the subject of intelligence gathering (aka 'spying'), I wonder if you are equally offended by the age-old (and sometimes outright illegal) methods of espionage used by secret agents the world over, such as setting up fake business fronts, eavesdropping, email monitoring, false identity/working undercover, document tampering, computer hacking, bribery, etc.
While it is fashionable to offer up pithy romanticisms such as "live free or die", it is prudent imo to acknowledge the need for a comprehensive and effective information gathering apparatus. There can be no real freedoms without real security.
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The crimes of the Intelligence community are appaling
that not only risk political embarrassment to the US but also endanger the freedom if not lives of the participating foreign nationals and, more than occasionally, of the clandestine officer himself
How does crime againt foreign entities provide security?
It just pisses them off.....
A Timeline of CIA Atrocities
What is "Real Security"?
Spying on peacefull anti war groups?
Having our borders wide open?
while punishing legal immagration.
while antaganizing could be enemies?
Clogging up investigative channels,
with what granny checked out at the library?
Under security there is no freedom
they are at odds
nothing is secure
a tree could fall on me at the park tommorow
should I live in fear? stay home in a plastic and duct tape room?
NO
Bill Moyers did a documentary on the Secret Government 1987
an excellant watch BTY
http://www.informationclearinghouse....rticle3281.htm
http://www.informationclearinghouse....rticle3282.htm
Funny
you should call live free or die a pithy romanticisms
as it is one of the most patriotic calls to duty by
General John Stark, New Hampshire most distinguished hero of the Revolutionary War
If we forget our history we a doomed to repeat it
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