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Old 12-16-2005, 10:48 AM   #30 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Aladdin Sane
One sure way to move past all the propaganda is to examine conditions on the ground. Let's use the Door Test. When the door is slung open which way do people move? For all immigrants worldwide the number one destination is the "anachronistic" United States. Even with the death penalty and private health care firmly in place, during the last 10 years twice the number of immigrants have chosen to come to the United States than to all the other western countries combined. This does not even account for the millions of illegal U.S. immigrants. Ask those millions why they came here and continue to die to get here. I suspect their view of the United States would not match your own.
I have not stated my views, so I'm not sure how you can accertain how the views of immigrants (like my parents, like my wife's entire family, etc) will or will not match my own. Your argument has this very basic, fatal flaw in it.

Meanwhile, millions upon millions emigrate to other western nations. Canada has a higher rate (as a percentage of population) than the US, for example. With 300 million people, the US certainly has the capacity to absorb large numbers of immigrants.

Does the US have a role to play in the world? Yes. An important role? Yes. But not the super-hero, godlike role you ascribe to it. And to be frank, it is people such as yourself who sound off so vociferously about the US being better than everyone else put together that has, more than anything, turned a lot of opinion against the US around the world. It's one thing to have pride in your nation, it is another to put everyone else (including your allies) around you down to try and make yourself look bigger.
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