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Originally Posted by Marvelous Marv
I kept promising myself I wasn't going to do this, but I guess the part about not caring if he was a serial killer (but Bush LIED!) put me over the edge. That, and two people saying Clinton was "one of the best presidents in [their] lifetime."
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You just don't get this do you? Actually, I don't believe that. I think you DO get this and are pretending to be obtuse so that you can continue to rail on Clinton in a sad attempt to distract us from the current problems.
I really don't care what Clinton did. Why? Because Clinton isn't in office any more. I'm getting awfully tired of you guys using Clinton to excuse everything Bush has done and is doing. It doesn't matter what Clinton did as far as whether or not it excuses what Bush is doing. Nothing Clinton could possibly have done gives Bush a free pass to do whatever wrongs he wants to do. The sooner the liberals get that through their heads the better. Yes, I did say liberals. The "conservatives" (btw, if you side with bush, you're not a conservative) already know that - they're just trying to bullshit the liberals to distract from the inadequacies of their president.
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His "wife" trying to nationalize 17% of the nation's private economy through her heavy-handed plan for socialized medicine.
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first I'm not sure why you put wife in quotes. Are you suggesting that marriages that aren't between two conservatives are morally wrong too?
And second, you might want to stop there. You're displaying a shocking lack of knowledge about the healthcare system. Or are you suggesting that it's a much better system to have millions without insurance, millions more with inadequate coverage, and the rest of us largely dependant on HMO's who say things like cancer treatments are medically unnecessary, while at the same time companies across the country are struggling to meet mounting benefits costs?
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Major Democratic campaign contributors sold and transfered vital American nuclear, missile, and satellite technology to avowed enemies of freedom, and of the United States. [This was the WORST offense, in my opinion, and I can't think of another politician particularly a president, who would have even CONSIDERED such a thing.]
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Yeah, certainly no other president would have done that. Not even Reagan when he sold arms to Iran. Oh. . .wait. . . .
And that's campaign CONTRIBUTORS. Saying that's Clinton's fault is rather like saying I'm guilty of murder because I met a murderer once. Let's get just a touch realistic in our arguments, shall we?
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Five members of Clinton's Cabinet came under criminal investigation.
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This from the same group of people that say just being investigated doesn't mean anything and we should ignore it. Oh, now I get it. That's when a REPUBLICAN is investigated. When anyone ELSE gets investigated, they deserve the chair. I love hypocracy, don't you?
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Thirty-three connected to the Clinton administration were convicted of crimes.
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A statistic from a rather pathetic list. This list includes his brother Roger (drug trafficking) - so now Clinton is responsible for the crimes of his family? Neat! Let's start talking about Jenna and Laura then shall we? And let's dig up everyone Bush has ever had any slight contact with (or even reach further than that if we want to stay in the spirit of your list) and see who gets more convictions.
Yeah, the ultimate stupidity. That the nation got distracted by a blowjob when we really needed to be worried about bin Laden. Sure, he shouldn't have done it. And we shouldn't have made such a big damn deal about it either.
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Forty-five witnesses in criminal investigations or critics of the Clinton administration were subjected to IRS audits.
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And how many were audited who were not critical of the Clinton administration? I'll give you a hint. It's a hell of a lot more than 45, which makes your point meaningless.
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Five women who were said to have been associated with Bill Clinton complain publicly of physical threats having been made against them.
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Who were SAID? were SAID to have been associated with him? What the hell is this, 3rd grade gossip? Let's get some real evidence shall we?
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Hillary Clinton issued a 42 paragraph sworn statement to a House investigating committee investigating Clinton wrongdoings, and in those 42 paragraphs, she used the phrase "I don't recall" or its equivalent no less than 50 times. Even Randy Cunningham didn't feed us THAT crap.
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Nope. But as long as we're dredging up past presidents, Reagan did. A lot more than 50 times too. And that was before the alzheimers had really gotten hold so he didn't have that excuse.
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Bill Clinton said "I don't recall" or its equivalent in portions of his testimony about Paula Jones 271 times.
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What is your point? That has nothing to do with what is happening NOW. NOW is important. Clinton screwing some chick over a decade ago is NOT important.
I'm cutting a bunch of the crap you wrote because it's just not worth replying to, but this one I HAD to address.
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American servicemen were scattered to nearly 100 foreign nations to serve as glorified cops
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What planet are you on? Have you noticed we're at war in Iraq, with over 2000 soldiers dead, countless Iraqi civilians dead, many more from each side permanently maimed, and NOTHING to show for it as far as enhanced national security? Pot, meet kettle.
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Aspirin factories in foreign countries were bombed to divert attention from presidential scandals.
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And pharmaceutical factories in Iraq were used, along with a semi trailer, to "prove" the existance of nonexistant WMDs to divert attention from the fact that Bush is a lying warmonger who was gonna invade Iraq no matter what.
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Bodies of dead American servicemen were dragged through the streets
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And they shouldn't have been because we should never have been there. No one's saying Clinton is a god. But just because Clinton put us where we didn't belong doesn't mean Bush gets to without criticism.
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of half assed inconsequential foreign dog-patch nations by mobs of people who aren't fit to utter the phrase, "would you like french fries with that."
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If that phrase doesn't catapult a poster to the rank of ethnocentric elitist jerk, I don't know what does. And it shows you to be a hypocrite too. On the one hand you say we shouldn't have been there invading a foreign country. On the other you think those people are scum because they fought back. That's ridiculous. If your country was invaded you wouldn't be scum for fighting back either.
Now, let's start getting grounded in reality. This idea that "well he did it so I should be able to do it" is complete and total horseshit, and anyone older than 8 who tries to use it should be ashamed of themselves. The crimes of another does not excuse the crimes of everyone else.
Instead of responding to accusations of Bush's wrongdoing with "well HE DID IT TOOOO!" let's try and elevate our arguments beyond preadolescence and try actually responding to the facts in the accusations.