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pan6467 · 12-07-2005, 03:35 PM

I love people who say they don't want to pay for smokers and drinkers health.

Truth be known the effects of both take YEARS to seriously harm the users. In the meantime, the taxes they pay keep individual state and local taxes down.

You really want to see your tax rates increase in HUGE amounts, stop living off the "sin taxes". Tell your state and community to do away with them and see how much you pay in taxes then. Or just have all the smokers buy that $1 pack of ciggies at Indian reservations, online and tax free shops.

So let's see, granted eventually it takes it's toll (so does beef, drinking from aluminum cans, living near high tension electrical lines, and so on), but by the time the smoker/ drinker needs the healthcare they have probably paid more in voluntary taxes than most people will ever pay on their income taxes.

Lottery tickets same thing, voluntary taxes that keep other peoples taxes down.

Plus, in the end you pay for their medical anyway, in higher premiums and tax money when they reach their maximums or have no insurance. But in the process you have enjoyed fully the benefits of those voluntary taxes.

Like I said, don't believe me, tell the government you don't want them to collect "sin taxes" anymore. Oh, yeah, the government can keep suing the tobacco companies and alcohol companies and say that money will only go for the healthcare/education of smokers/drinkers/etc..... which they did, but that just leads to bankrupting industries.

It's also the biggest hypocrisy in government, they try to tell you the harmful effects of smoking and drinking and in some cases lotteries.... yet they cannot survive without the tax monies.

I'm not advocating smoking, drinking, lottery playing.... those are individual choices. But I am tired of hearing how some don't want to pay for their healthcare after years of enjoying the tax benefits.

I don't drive fast and obey the laws, I don't want to pay for those people who drive like assholes and cause pileups. I don't feel I should pay for people who have strokes, colon cancer, and all those nasties one gets from eating too much beef, I don't want to pay for the healthcare of those who have high cholesterol because of milk, cheese and egg consumption, and so on.

I don't want to pay higher tuitions because of tax cuts to the rich and corporate welfare causing deficit spending. I don't want to watch government pay billions and billions to Haliburton for overcharging the military. I don't want my tax money to go places I disapprove of..... but that is the price of living in this country. Don't like it leave.

As the Right loves to point out life is unfair..... but they sure do love to bitch and cry when they have to make sacrifices everyone else does. Of course their sacrifices are so much more important than everyone else's, they love to tell others to live within their means as they watch their party deficit spend us into oblivion, they love to dictate how others should live but fuck you if you try to tell them..... what hypocrites.

12-07-2005, 03:35 PM	#32 (permalink)
pan6467 Lennonite Priest Location: Mansfield, Ohio USA	I love people who say they don't want to pay for smokers and drinkers health. Truth be known the effects of both take YEARS to seriously harm the users. In the meantime, the taxes they pay keep individual state and local taxes down. You really want to see your tax rates increase in HUGE amounts, stop living off the "sin taxes". Tell your state and community to do away with them and see how much you pay in taxes then. Or just have all the smokers buy that $1 pack of ciggies at Indian reservations, online and tax free shops. So let's see, granted eventually it takes it's toll (so does beef, drinking from aluminum cans, living near high tension electrical lines, and so on), but by the time the smoker/ drinker needs the healthcare they have probably paid more in voluntary taxes than most people will ever pay on their income taxes. Lottery tickets same thing, voluntary taxes that keep other peoples taxes down. Plus, in the end you pay for their medical anyway, in higher premiums and tax money when they reach their maximums or have no insurance. But in the process you have enjoyed fully the benefits of those voluntary taxes. Like I said, don't believe me, tell the government you don't want them to collect "sin taxes" anymore. Oh, yeah, the government can keep suing the tobacco companies and alcohol companies and say that money will only go for the healthcare/education of smokers/drinkers/etc..... which they did, but that just leads to bankrupting industries. It's also the biggest hypocrisy in government, they try to tell you the harmful effects of smoking and drinking and in some cases lotteries.... yet they cannot survive without the tax monies. I'm not advocating smoking, drinking, lottery playing.... those are individual choices. But I am tired of hearing how some don't want to pay for their healthcare after years of enjoying the tax benefits. I don't drive fast and obey the laws, I don't want to pay for those people who drive like assholes and cause pileups. I don't feel I should pay for people who have strokes, colon cancer, and all those nasties one gets from eating too much beef, I don't want to pay for the healthcare of those who have high cholesterol because of milk, cheese and egg consumption, and so on. I don't want to pay higher tuitions because of tax cuts to the rich and corporate welfare causing deficit spending. I don't want to watch government pay billions and billions to Haliburton for overcharging the military. I don't want my tax money to go places I disapprove of..... but that is the price of living in this country. Don't like it leave. As the Right loves to point out life is unfair..... but they sure do love to bitch and cry when they have to make sacrifices everyone else does. Of course their sacrifices are so much more important than everyone else's, they love to tell others to live within their means as they watch their party deficit spend us into oblivion, they love to dictate how others should live but fuck you if you try to tell them..... what hypocrites. __________________ I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?"