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pan6467 · 12-06-2005, 11:12 AM

My father started out with absolutely nothing and became very wealthy.

Doesn't know crap about finances, doesn't care.

He worked hard was given governmental help in the form of apprenticship programs, school grants and loans that didn't bankrupt him or truly hurt him when he graduated, didn't graduate into a high paying job.

But his drive to be the best in what he did was unsurpassed. Whether it was project engineer and weekend surveys, to excavting waste dumps and putting evironmentally new ones in their place, to doing the groundwork and working for some of the greatest golf course designers in America. Every job my dad took moved him upward, until he owned his own company. His drive to be the best allowed companies to track him down and make HUGE offers, some he took, some he didn't because they meant moving or being away from the family.

He got government help, worked his ass off, repaid the government in sums he could afford and maintained a steady climb upward.

I maintain that is nearly impossible today the loans are a stranglehold, the ability to advance through government sponsored programs is gone, and it is harder to move up as companies downsize, plus pay less.

I get my drive from my father, I WILL BE the preeminent authority on compulsive gambling recovery, but I won't be doing it for money. I'll be doing it for myself and to better others. The money will come, if I am good enough at what I do, just as it did for my father, provided the conomy can support it. And very simply because I'll be my own boss, through family loans and friends who believe in me, and fundraisers. I don't plan to take a government penny on anything I start because I don't want the government telling me how I can help others.

But that makes me lucky because I have the oppurtunity, some people, a vast majority, don't have rich families and won't be able to work for themselves and will die owing on their student loans, because their jobs didn't pay enough. Not because they didn't work hard enough or didn't try to save enough.

Plus, our economy is built on debt, if people spent within their means the country would go bankrupt within 6 months, IMHO.

12-06-2005, 11:12 AM	#74 (permalink)
pan6467 Lennonite Priest Location: Mansfield, Ohio USA	My father started out with absolutely nothing and became very wealthy. Doesn't know crap about finances, doesn't care. He worked hard was given governmental help in the form of apprenticship programs, school grants and loans that didn't bankrupt him or truly hurt him when he graduated, didn't graduate into a high paying job. But his drive to be the best in what he did was unsurpassed. Whether it was project engineer and weekend surveys, to excavting waste dumps and putting evironmentally new ones in their place, to doing the groundwork and working for some of the greatest golf course designers in America. Every job my dad took moved him upward, until he owned his own company. His drive to be the best allowed companies to track him down and make HUGE offers, some he took, some he didn't because they meant moving or being away from the family. He got government help, worked his ass off, repaid the government in sums he could afford and maintained a steady climb upward. I maintain that is nearly impossible today the loans are a stranglehold, the ability to advance through government sponsored programs is gone, and it is harder to move up as companies downsize, plus pay less. I get my drive from my father, I WILL BE the preeminent authority on compulsive gambling recovery, but I won't be doing it for money. I'll be doing it for myself and to better others. The money will come, if I am good enough at what I do, just as it did for my father, provided the conomy can support it. And very simply because I'll be my own boss, through family loans and friends who believe in me, and fundraisers. I don't plan to take a government penny on anything I start because I don't want the government telling me how I can help others. But that makes me lucky because I have the oppurtunity, some people, a vast majority, don't have rich families and won't be able to work for themselves and will die owing on their student loans, because their jobs didn't pay enough. Not because they didn't work hard enough or didn't try to save enough. Plus, our economy is built on debt, if people spent within their means the country would go bankrupt within 6 months, IMHO. __________________ I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?" Last edited by pan6467; 12-06-2005 at 11:15 AM..