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If society is deteriorating, I would argue that is is not lack of morals, bur greed and fear. The fact there are more people living in the US that are unable to achieve advancement. The fact that multinational conglomerates and faceless companies own the shops and places of employment. That there is very little community involvement or loyalty from these places.

America was built with communities and pride. It is now built on greed.

There is your moral decay.


I maybe wrong, but from the way the Canadians on this forum talk and others I have met, their healthcare works better than ours. Britain, Japan, Sweden, Norway, France, Germany, Italy, and on and on.... all have a form of socialized medicine, all pay less, and all have lower infant mortality rates. (We're 42nd in the world...... link: http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/.../2091rank.html)

The reason theose countries are attacked about their healthcare is because it works and the US right and Healthcare industry are scared to death if the people knew we'd get it here. (and my next post will show this.... this post is to answer you directly.)

No, I argued that eventually everyone but the ultra rich will be affected. Who do you think pays the poor's healthcare? With hospital, medicine, doctor rates as they stand now, it does not take long to reach that million dollar ceiling and lose everything.

Where did I say it only happens to the poor?




NOt at all, but in the healthcare industry, absolutely there is no doubt.

Lawsuits are not as costly as the Right would have you believe. There maybe frivilous lawsuits but my feeling is they get thrown out. Name 1 frivilous lawsuit against a hospital or doctor that has made any news whatsoever. Just 1.


No I am saying that these Christians the Right has suckered into supporting their party are being led down a road that is taking them farther away from Christ's teachings.

I bring Christ in because 1) the healthcare industry is run for greed, how is that helping people? What would Jesus Do?

2) I bring Jesus in to show "devout Christians" how the neo Cons are suckering them in. The Neo Cons fight for Jesus, "the US was founded on Christianity... the Left is Godless, immoral, and so on..."

those are their cries to get that religious vote.... is it not?

So then why would a party so in tuned with what the Bible says about Homosexuality, abortion, sex in the media, and so on, be ok with a basic human need ran for extreme profit?

Where does Jesus say "Make sure they have that HMO card and can pay the deductible, before you help them"? Where does it say that?

I argue Christ preached we should help our fellow brothers and sisters and in doing so the reward is far greater in Heaven.

But it seems to me that this party, that refuses change, that claims they are "the friend of the conservative Christian" "God's Party", believes that man's illnesses are there for him to make great profit on. And for those who can't pay, well they can lose everything, get sicker and die..... more for us.

So where is the Christian outrage against this party that treats man as profit?

The Neo-Cons have sold this group a bill of fluff and have gotten them silent on the issues that provide profit.

Actually, I didn't expect this, who does? It is costing me dearly.

Am I angry? No, because I could have refused treatment, I knew the cost.

Do I see those people as unmerciful? Not at all, they have done all the system could allow to help me.

I see the system as flawed, as destructive and as eventually a force that will bankrupt America, run for greed, not for what it's true purpose is, and that is to help keep people healthy and productive.

When the system tells someone to stop working so that their bills can be paid.... one has to wonder who would pay the bills then, why would they want me to stop working, and why is society letting this farce continue?

Are you saying I'm the only one going through this? Am I the only one who has been told to stop working?

I'm not I'm just being vocal and saying the system needs changed now. Before it is too late.

I am not wrapped up in bitterness, I am quite happy and thankful. However, I am being very vocal about the system and demanding change.

Nice spin though. Get it to look like I am the bitter one, that I am the loose spoke, that the system is ok, it's just me. Then offer nothing that shows how the system works.

You obviously know nothing about me.

Again, make this my problem and that way you can dismiss it. It is very much a societal problem.

If say 1,000,000 uninsured people go to the hospital, get the treatment I gotand can't pay and are told to not work so that the bills get paid and 250,000 (a low number I have a feeling) say okay. And so they stop working.

How is that scenario helping society? Is that not more tax money to pay for those bills, is that not higher insurance premiums to pay for those bills, more homeless housing, more tax dollars in the form of welfare that is shelled out? More crime from those who have lost everything because of the inherent greed of the system?

So it is very much a societal problem. Not just mine, because I'll survive...... but I see the need for change and I will not be silent about it. I will be very vocal and demanding change and I will share my story, my experience to others and hopefully others will and people will see the truth about the system and not what the Right and the Industry spin as the truth.

I don't believe you are apethetic. I think you don't see the true toll the system and the industry's greed is extolling from the nation.

You believe the status quo to be perfectly fine in a pure capitalistic society. But America is not a pure capitalistic society. America is founded on social supports to keep it strong.

It all boils down to this..... and I have yet to see a defense of the system, except attacks on me, my character, on this not being a society problem because, I'm the affected one and I speak out in anger and whatever......

So because I can relate what I see as wrong with the system, since I can say the system is fucked up and give explicit accounts and detailed examples.... it's just all me.

Yet, there is not one argument on here how the current system is what it claims. There is not one example truly defending the industry.

Instead it is attacks on me. I need to prove why we need change?

I am....... it is the side that refuses change, that lives on the greed, that shows no defense only attacks.

Claiming this is not a societal problem, this is not political...... when the truth is it is very much a societal problem, it is very much a political problem and it needs changed and it needs voices to come forward, that won't be silenced, that can't be bought off, that can share their experiences to change it.

People are paying for my medical care, people would be paying more if I stopped working...... keep watching the premiums raise, keep watching as more and more uninsured decide to drop out so that their bills will be paid for.... how long does this have to go on before people see the need to start demanding change?

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