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Yakk · 12-01-2005, 08:40 AM

"1> Anything that has a beginning has a cause"

In everyday speak, this is reasonable. However, when you start probing the fabric of reality, things get wierd.

What do you mean by "beginning"? Quite often you cannot divide something from what came before.

At scales that you are not used to thinking on, time behaves wierdly. There is reason to believe that at distances near and under a "plank length" and times near and under a "plank time", position and time look very little like what you are used to on large scales.

On larger scales this may also be true.

"2> The universe had a beginning"

This may or may not be true. Using many models, the universe contains the dimension of time. Saying it has a beginning is like someone at the equater saying "every bit of Earth has another bit of Earth north of us." "The Earth is bounded." "The Earth north of the last bit of Earth is god."

"3> Therefore, the universe had a cause"

The universe denotes "all that is". Causes "are". The cause of something preceeds it. Anything that preceeds something is not part of it. If the universe has a cause, then that cause is not part of it. Everything that is is part of the universe. Therefore, the universe has no cause.

A and not A

Voila, a contradiction.

12-01-2005, 08:40 AM	#11 (permalink)
Yakk Wehret Den Anfängen! Location: Ontario, Canada	"1> Anything that has a beginning has a cause" In everyday speak, this is reasonable. However, when you start probing the fabric of reality, things get wierd. What do you mean by "beginning"? Quite often you cannot divide something from what came before. At scales that you are not used to thinking on, time behaves wierdly. There is reason to believe that at distances near and under a "plank length" and times near and under a "plank time", position and time look very little like what you are used to on large scales. On larger scales this may also be true. "2> The universe had a beginning" This may or may not be true. Using many models, the universe contains the dimension of time. Saying it has a beginning is like someone at the equater saying "every bit of Earth has another bit of Earth north of us." "The Earth is bounded." "The Earth north of the last bit of Earth is god." "3> Therefore, the universe had a cause" The universe denotes "all that is". Causes "are". The cause of something preceeds it. Anything that preceeds something is not part of it. If the universe has a cause, then that cause is not part of it. Everything that is is part of the universe. Therefore, the universe has no cause. A and not A Voila, a contradiction. __________________ Last edited by JHVH : 10-29-4004 BC at 09:00 PM. Reason: Time for a rest.