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Rekna · 12-01-2005, 08:12 AM

These are interesting points. While i'm not fully convinced of his arguements he does raise some good questions. I have long believed that occupation leads to insurgancy and for every insurgent the US kills 5 more are created.

So how can the US pull out of Iraq without the risk of a civil war? I propose a stagged withdraw but not the type you are thinking. Stage one, hand over cities to local authorities, maintain military bases in the rural areas outside of the cities. The US does not enter the city unless violence errupts within the city that the local authorites cannot deal with. When a city seems to be able to patrole itself then redirect the troops near that city to problem areas. Eventually this will either work and most or all cities will gain sovernty and the US will be able to start withdrawing troups or it will fail and the US can quickly take recontrol because its troups are still in close proximity.

Kurds deserve their own nation in my opinion and I think forcing them to be part of Iraq is only going to cause problems now and in the future. I don't really care what Turkey thinks, it is not its nation and if it wants to invade a soveregn nation then it better be ready for other countries to stand up against it.

The US cannot win this war! This war can only be won by the Iraqis and as long as this war is the US against Iraqis we will loose it. We have removed Saddam from power, wasn't that our goal?

We should not be afraid of a Muslim state and we should instead embrace them and make sure they know that we are not the enemy. A peaceful muslim society is better than a nation in chaos and war within its own boarders. As long as they maintain human rights we should not worry about them being a muslim nation.

12-01-2005, 08:12 AM	#3 (permalink)
Rekna Junkie	These are interesting points. While i'm not fully convinced of his arguements he does raise some good questions. I have long believed that occupation leads to insurgancy and for every insurgent the US kills 5 more are created. So how can the US pull out of Iraq without the risk of a civil war? I propose a stagged withdraw but not the type you are thinking. Stage one, hand over cities to local authorities, maintain military bases in the rural areas outside of the cities. The US does not enter the city unless violence errupts within the city that the local authorites cannot deal with. When a city seems to be able to patrole itself then redirect the troops near that city to problem areas. Eventually this will either work and most or all cities will gain sovernty and the US will be able to start withdrawing troups or it will fail and the US can quickly take recontrol because its troups are still in close proximity. Kurds deserve their own nation in my opinion and I think forcing them to be part of Iraq is only going to cause problems now and in the future. I don't really care what Turkey thinks, it is not its nation and if it wants to invade a soveregn nation then it better be ready for other countries to stand up against it. The US cannot win this war! This war can only be won by the Iraqis and as long as this war is the US against Iraqis we will loose it. We have removed Saddam from power, wasn't that our goal? We should not be afraid of a Muslim state and we should instead embrace them and make sure they know that we are not the enemy. A peaceful muslim society is better than a nation in chaos and war within its own boarders. As long as they maintain human rights we should not worry about them being a muslim nation.