View Single Post
Old 12-01-2005, 12:15 AM   #44 (permalink)
match000
Psycho
 
I'm going to post what Martian has thoughtfully advised me (with Martian's permission, of course), because I think it will be very helpful to others in the same boat. Originally, I asked in private because I thought it was private. In retrospect, it's fine.


Quote:
Originally Posted by match000
I felt like this little bit is better in private. Feel free to post it if you feel otherwise.

But my friend disagrees with your solution of letting her know my position (I like her), and telling her that I'll give her time to figure things out and be awaiting her. I think he means that by telling her I'm waiting, its like dropping a nuclear bomb and running away. He says I should work with her on it, and talk to her about it more, rather than just saying "ok I like you. See you tomorrow and let me know your decision on if you like me or not."


Thanks

Match

Quote:
Originally Posted by Martian
I'm not sure I understand what your friend is saying.

She has a decision to make. She has to decide if she wants to be with you, or more accurately, if she wants it badly enough to take the risks involved. She has a very negative image of relationships right now I gather, at least ones involving her. This is partly due to her mother, partly due to never having had one (it's that 'what's wrong with me?' syndrome again) and partly due to various other factors as have been mentioned. Dating you is going against that image and, in her mind, taking a risk. So when she feels a very natural attraction to you, she's conflicted.

You have to let her know that you're interested and that this is her choice to make. If she doesn't know there's a choice to be made, how can she possibly make it? And if she doesn't make it, it'll default to friendship. Consider the last thing she said to you on that (rather disastrous) night. I don't remember the exact wording, but it was something to the effect of 'I guess it'll be awkward in club now?' That sounds to me like she's closing a door. Or that she thinks it is closed, which means she may be cutting herself off without even knowing it. You have to let her know that you're still available to her, romantically, that you haven't given up.

Remember what I said about the difference between giving her space and giving her air? I do not in any way think you should run away, or leave her to her own devices or any of that. You definitely want to make your presence felt, but you don't want to pressure her. The bottom line is that no matter how badly you want to help her come to a decision, you simply can't. That's something she has to do on her own. She is taking a big risk here. Is it valid? I don't know, but I'm guessing probably not. You seem to me like the kind of guy who will be considerate of her grades and home life and won't try to interfere or cause her trouble. But even if it's not valid, even if it's not real, it's real to her. In her mind, it's a threat to her potential success and there is absolutely nothing you can do or say to convince her otherwise. Sorry, but that's how it goes. She's been damaged. Her mother, with the best of intentions, has instilled a fear in her that goes against what she feels, what's very natural for someone in her age and position to feel. There are exactly two people who even have a chance of fixing that damage and even if her mother is interested in doing so (probably not) she still may not be able to at this point. That leaves it down to her and her alone. You can't work through this with her. You can't help her. If she wants to talk about it, you can talk about it and you absolutely should. If she decides she does want you, then you should (obviously) go ahead with that. If she asks you for something and it's in you power to give, by all means give it to her. But there is no way that you can help her if she doesn't ask you for help. I know it's hard to accept, but it's the truth and if you try you're only going to frustrate yourself at best and at worst ause even more strain, possibly even damage things beyond repair.

Right from the start, remember I told you that this is going to take time and it's going to be a lot of work. I suggested then that you had the decision to make as to whether she's worth it and you decided that she is. That's not a set in stone decision; if it becomes too much for you, you can change your mind. But if you're willing to commit, commit. Don't try to rush things along because of what you want with her and don't try to find an easy answer, because there isn't one.

Last edited by match000; 12-01-2005 at 12:18 AM..
match000 is offline  
 

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360