First off, thanks Willravel for backing me up. I knew I hadn't forgotten THAT much from my psych minor
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Originally Posted by xepherys
Two good swats on the ass, in the middle of a store did him a world of good.
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No one is disagreeing that spanking a child CAN achieve behavior modification. However, what you are failing to consider is that there could be OTHER ways that could acheive the same modification with fewer unfortunate lessons - i.e. "if someone pisses you off enough, hit them and they'll stop."
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Also, I'm amused by your background with therapists. I have a couple in my family that I find to be useless as hell.
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That's ridiculous. I have an engineer in my family that's an idiot too. That doesn't mean ALL engineers are useless. Let's think a little more before we denigrate an entire profession based on our relatives shall we?
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Psychology and therapy is not really a science as much as an interpretive artistic practice. Over the course of any decade, a lot comes and goes. Sure, this is true with any science, but psychology can actually scar people.
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Well let's see. I suppose that if we subscribe to your logic then medicine is also not a science. After all it used to be that doctors told us drinking alcohol was not good for you. Now red wine is good for your heart. I wonder how many people ended up with hearts that werent' as strong as they could have been because they avoided wine. I'm glad you mentioned plutonium. Back in the early days of nuclear research they didn't realize it was bad for you. Dick Feynman had a lump of ultra radioactive plutonium encased in gold. He used it as a doorstop. Marie Curie died from radiation poisoning from her work with radioactive materials. I suppose according to your logic that physics and geology aren't sciences either, since they once got radioactivity wrong resulting in people actually dying.
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* I was spanked as a child, and I'm not violent. I've been in one fight in my life, it was in high school, and I was defending myself. I must be a real bastard because my parents "hit" me. Oddly enough, from an environmental factor, both of my paretns smoked and my dad (and many on his side) were raging alcholics. I'm neither. Wow, it's CRAZY how that childhood environment so shapes our lives. It's called having a choice of how we turn out.
* I have a cousin whose mother tried discipling him repsectfully. She explained things, she was consistant, and even got him evalutaed and eventually medicated. He was STILL a total asshole for the first 20 years of his life, torturing animals of all sorts and being rather psychotic. Must've been that healthy hands-off approach.
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Hey wow I'm really impressed! Over 260 million people in the United States alone and you manage to produce two whole people to back up your point!
Point being, you need actual statistics, not just a couple of personal examples if you want to make this point.
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Therapy helps less kids than one might think.
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I would love to see your source for that. Hint: It will be difficult to back this statement up since "less than one might think" is not a quantifiable statement.
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HThis would include saying things that shrinks want to hear, and making it seem like progress was being made.
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How big of a moron do you think Willravel and other psychologists are? Do you not realize that they KNOW kids will do that, and can see through that?
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As a side note, I'm sorry if you got "a good ass kicking" confused with actaully bludgeoning a kid. When I hear someone say "a whalloping" "ass kicking" or other term, I tend to take it half heartedly. I doubt most people who actually beat the hell out of their kids with fists and feet would advertise as such.
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I'm sorry that your utter lack of precision in your writing caused misinterpretations. But a spanking is pretty different from a "good ass kicking."