I don't advocate child abuse either. And your family's situations are very different than taking kids, when nothing else has worked, and say 'okay, that's it. you're getting a spanking.' No anger shown, no wild emotions, just a matter-of-fact swatting of the tush, and on with the day.
I do believe that this would help with the "spoiled rotten" kids, and the kids in this situation that were just following the leader. NOTE: I am NOT advocating hitting a child in an angry or retaliatory way. So please refrain from those responses, they're not appropriate in this case.
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