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Originally Posted by Marvelous Marv
The reason you aren't getting better responses is that anyone who doesn't agree with you doesn't seem to be allowed to put Cheney in perspective, i.e. compare his behavior to others. That would be veering "off topic." A better title for the thread you're starting would be "Cheney is an asshole/criminal/etc.", which we've all seen before. I'm sure Host could fill several screens with one. Oh, and he's a coward, too, because he was taken to the proverbial "undisclosed location" during 9/11.
If you indeed want a discussion about "learning from history," some of the Democratic party philosophies have been ruining countries since Rome fell. Others were warned against by the founding fathers. More recently, Gore was caught red-handed in a fund-raising crime (with hard evidence of more that were swept under the rug) and nothing happened. So if Cheney is acting improperly, I'd say he DEFINITELY learned from history.
The limitation I mentioned is why this thread is a non-starter for me, and as far as I can tell, others feel the same. I'm sure you can get a few others on the board to chime in, but it's not going to resemble a "discussion" very much.
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You make good points, but if it is not worthy of the Right's discussion then why post anything? Why not move on if you feel like not discussing this topic?
Why were the first replies attacks and then just way out there with WMDs? To me, from experience, that is a defense from the Right because they can not answer the questions put forth.
Why not go deeper into your second paragraph I would like to know what Gore did, as I haven't heard.
Personally, I think Cheney is a great puppet master that George the 1st could control but George the 2nd either can't or doesn't want to. I can see from Elphaba's OP that there are some warnings from cheney's past that should be explored and talked about. That perhaps, he hungers for the power and control. I also wonder when the time comes in '08 for him to step aside if he tries to stay with Rice or the GOP nominee or if he steps down. I think Rice would be easily manipulated by him, McCain wouldn't and that is one reason the Neocons attack McCain, or anyone in the party that Cheney can not easily manipulate.