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roachboy · 11-27-2005, 11:38 AM

the article that gave seaver an excuse to shut off the thread was about a statement made by allawi, folks--you know, the former pm of iraq under the american occupation. i suspect that he might have a better idea of conditions on the ground than you have from watching pooled press reports on television. just saying.

if this was the only such story, i could maybe even see the conservative dismissal--but it is far from the only such story. i know that conservative folk have more trouble than most addressing information they do not like, and that it is asking alot to request that they try to engage seriously with something they would prefer pretend is not there....

strange what the folk from the right would think this something i would simply put up or say myself--but i suppose it is asking alot to expect conservatives to actually read and not distort what they encounter.

the point i was making by posting the allawi material is simply that the cheney-rumsfeld policies, when implemented without the friction of opposition, do not work.
they fare little better in the context of a situation with friction.
they simply are not functional--this despite their aesthetic appeal for the right, which i assume follows from their authoritarian character.

i would hope that something approaching a substantive discussion would be possible with folk from the right on this--but i dont see it happening.... again.
and it seems par for the course--and no more--that the rightwingers above would try to blame thier inability to engage in serious conversation on the post that began the thread, and not look to their own limited/limiting ways of coping with dissonance and perhaps see in that a big part of the problem not only with this exchange, but with all debate in this space.

edit: btw i dont buy the santayana thing---those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it--but i do think that there is no reason not to look at the history of the necon movement, to understand its origins, its development, its modes of operation, and to use that history to inform how the contemporary follies are unfolding.

11-27-2005, 11:38 AM	#13 (permalink)
roachboy Super Moderator Location: essex ma	the article that gave seaver an excuse to shut off the thread was about a statement made by allawi, folks--you know, the former pm of iraq under the american occupation. i suspect that he might have a better idea of conditions on the ground than you have from watching pooled press reports on television. just saying. if this was the only such story, i could maybe even see the conservative dismissal--but it is far from the only such story. i know that conservative folk have more trouble than most addressing information they do not like, and that it is asking alot to request that they try to engage seriously with something they would prefer pretend is not there.... strange what the folk from the right would think this something i would simply put up or say myself--but i suppose it is asking alot to expect conservatives to actually read and not distort what they encounter. the point i was making by posting the allawi material is simply that the cheney-rumsfeld policies, when implemented without the friction of opposition, do not work. they fare little better in the context of a situation with friction. they simply are not functional--this despite their aesthetic appeal for the right, which i assume follows from their authoritarian character. i would hope that something approaching a substantive discussion would be possible with folk from the right on this--but i dont see it happening.... again. and it seems par for the course--and no more--that the rightwingers above would try to blame thier inability to engage in serious conversation on the post that began the thread, and not look to their own limited/limiting ways of coping with dissonance and perhaps see in that a big part of the problem not only with this exchange, but with all debate in this space. edit: btw i dont buy the santayana thing---those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it--but i do think that there is no reason not to look at the history of the necon movement, to understand its origins, its development, its modes of operation, and to use that history to inform how the contemporary follies are unfolding. __________________ a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear it make you sick. -kamau brathwaite Last edited by roachboy; 11-27-2005 at 11:53 AM..