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Old 11-25-2005, 07:45 PM   #113 (permalink)
Gilda
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To put things in focus, here's my original statement and your response:

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Originally Posted by Gilda
Overall it was unpleasant at first, more unpleasant at dinner, very discomforting after dinner, especially all of the dimwits who kept trying to flirt with me even after knowing I was gay and married. Grace, I think, just flirted back. Did I mention pretty much everyone there *loved* Grace? Well, except for Mrs. Departmenthead.
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Originally Posted by cynthetiq
Why take umbrage to someone flirting with you that is straight? I took none to any gay man who flirted with me at any gay bars I was at. It's harmless until they touch you in an inappropriate manner, and that's bad form.
I assume by this that you were thinking that it was only that they were straight, or even primarily that they were straight that bothered me. You did pick that out from among the other factors I listed. Was I wrong in reading it that way? If that's what you are thinking, I must not have been entirely clear.

I thought I had been clear in the original post that it was a combination of stress from all of the events in the party leading up to that part, AND that they were flirting, which all by itself is way off script and thus uncomfortable AND that they knew I'm gay, AND that they knew I'm married.

You picked out the fact that they were straight as the one most important factor. I can understand how you might have gotten that impression, so I clarified in my response that it was the combination of factors, and not any one factor. It wasn't just that the straight guys were flirting with me, it was a combination of that, that I was stressed from the events in the party leading up to that, that flirting is so far off script that it belongs in different scenario altogether, and that I'm married, thus flirting with me is implicitly questioning my loyalty to my wife.

I'd also like to clarify that I'd have had a similar reaction if one of the women had started flirting with me after I made it clear I wasn't interested.

The moment I said,"I'm married to the tall Japanese woman over there," any attempts to flirt with me should have ceased. There are a thousand other conversation topics that would be more appropriate at that point.

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Originally Posted by Cynthetiq
Yes, as do women who flirt with me when they know that I'm married. I wear 2 rings one on each hand so it doesn't matter which culture European or American, you'll know I'm married or have at least deep suspicions. Again, so long as everyone is comfortable in their relationships, there's nothing wrong with it up until there's physical touching in private areas. According to Skogafoss, "Eating is still cheating."
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. Hitting on someone who's married, especially with that person's spouse in the room, and in some cases, your own spouse in, just seems to be in poor taste to me.

What's more, it would be extremely inappropriate for me to flirt with them when I had no intent to follow up on that. I'm not going to be a cock tease. I do not want to get a bad reputation.

I don't understand Skogafoss's comment here.

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The real answer is because it's harmless banter and discussion.
Had it been "harmless banter and discussion" I'd have been fine. I've tried to make it clear that it was more than that.

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If I was so uptight about "preserving my masculinity" then I'd be stiff and boring around such interesting and colorful people.
Good for you. If that sounds sarcastic, please understand that it isn't intended that way. I'm glad you're relaxed around all sorts of people. I actually envy you in that, as I'm well aware that I am stiff and boring around most other people.

Also, let me point out that the fact that these were straight guys was only a small part of the problem; the main part of the problem was that they were hitting on me knowing that I'm married.

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It's just about having harmless fun, that's the point of all social interaction isn't it?
I don't know. That's what I'm trying to learn here. Isn't the point of most social interaction to exchange information?

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Or as you keep thinking that KGB has some ulterior motive is that what I should be on the lookout for?
I sincerely don't expect anyone to behave in their lives as I do in mine. I recognize that my way of dealing with things is often counter-productive in social situations. Have I said something that would imply otherwise?

And I don't think wondering what her motive is is the same thing as assuming she has an ulterior motive. The suggestion has been made that her motive was to be friendly and helpful, and I've said I accept that a couple of times.

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Of course not... I'm out to just have fun and enjoy myself in other people's company to broaden my own horizons and visions of the world.
How in the world could I do that if I just kept to the same recipe each and every single day?
I'm glad that you're able to interact with others in a way that fulfills you. If that sounds sarcastic, please understand it isn't meant that way. It's more like envy.

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