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Originally Posted by Marvelous Marv
I have a problem with this statement. The US was founded as a Christian country, with specific statutes that prevented a state-mandated method of worship. That would be why the ten commandments were in courtrooms, "In God We Trust" is on the money, and hundreds of other examples and historical statements exist.
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And that is why there have been rulings against religion in government. We are a country that has puritanical roots and we are constantly at odds with ourselves because of such, but our government CANNOT recognize any religion as being the official religion.
And I don't believe we were founded as a "Christian" nation. Maybe the majority of the founding fathers were Christian, but that's it.
"In God we trust" goes only as far as the Cold War. We put it on our money to show those Godless Russian Commies that we were better than they because we had God on our side.
Read your history, you may find we actually had a few Jewish, agnostic and atheist forefathers signing the Dec, of Indep. and in our first Congress to ratify the Constitution. (Not saying but a hint...... if you scratch the itch you WILL find this to be true.)
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But what that has to do with being able to disrespect the Bible while having to honor the Koran is something only a liberal could come up with.
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Where did I say disrespecting the Bible was ok??????
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It might not be how I would do it, but if it was used as a method of interrogation that resulted in our gaining intel, I applaud it. A hypothetical for you: If disrespecting the Koran saved American soldiers' lives, would you support it? Or is that beyond your level of "support for the troops?"
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I do have issues that if we call ourselves better than we cannot sink to their level. There are far more ways to get information out. And above all else we should never insult something that will bring even more hatred.
I submit by desecrating the Koran, to "teach these terrorists a lesson" in fact turns even more Muslims against us. This then becomes a state sponsored crusade against a religion.
If our government, through their agents show no respect, and in fact disrespect the Koran, what does that say about our government's feelings towards millions of people's Holiest of books?????????
Is it no wonder we are hated with such passion?
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I also shouldn't neglect to point out that some in the US want our government to fund "works of art" like "Piss Christ" and whatever it was that had elephant dung all over a painting of the Virgin Mary. Do you see anything wrong with THAT?
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I do not think the NEA (National Endowment for the Arts) which is where the government money comes from, should finance these. However, I believe that when you file you need not detail the work, just be able to prove that there is art, therefore there is no discrimination.
And there is a huge difference between your examples and that of the military desecrating something very holy to others.
One is "art" sponsored only as a financial grant, where government does not have any say and has to maintain a neutrality, because of freedom of expression.
The other is the voice and agents of our government showing they have no respect for others religion. That our government not only endorses these actions but encourages them
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If you really believe the acts soldiers may have committed against the Koran are "atrocities," it is unlikely any past or present member of any military force is going to be interested in discussing much with you. I know that statement made ME lose interest in doing so.
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Sorry, I am former Navy..... and I am great friends with many other military present and former and most believe we have crossed over a line of good taste, decency and that those soldiers and their superiors are as bad as, if not worse than the terrorists, because of actions such as these.
Again, there are far better ways to gather information than to sink to their level.
Obviously it didn't make you lose interest because you commented.
I have the right to speak out and to believe that shitting on someone's Holy Book is an attrocity and that since the soldiers have not been reprimanded our government must endorse these actions. That infuriates me, because I have nothing against Muslims nor the Koran and those attrocities do not speak for me.
Again, there are far better ways to get intelligence than to disrespect the innocent. All we are doing by allowing these attrocities is showing those Muslims that may have respected us and felt the terrorists were wrong, is to show them that the terrorists may in fact be right.
Put yourself in a neutral Muslim's shoes in Saudi, or Iran or Syria and you hear of thses attrocities committed against your Holy Book..... would that not infuriate you to the point where you may take arms against those who did this action?
That maybe hard for you to do with true neutrality..... think of it this way..... Syria captures a platoon of our men and reports come from the POW camp that these men are forced to have homosexual sex, have pictures of them being tortured, and that the Syrian army in these POW camps have shit, pissed, burned and desecrated the Bible in every way possible? And their sole excuse is that they do this to get information on our troop movements and it is not how they truly feel about the Bible.
Would that not inspire you to take up arms or to support the military more?
That is what we are doing to these people. Exact same thing. These terrorists have so much hate in them, that our "show" against the Koran, probably doesn't faze them so in the end it's not even a good interrogation tool, but more just a show of our government's disrespect for the innocent.