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pan6467 · 11-21-2005, 11:37 AM

I talk politics because I truly like debate and finding how one side gets to an opposing view. Because in true debates, I have learned a lot and thought about why I took the position I did. It forced me to know more about my position, which is always a good thing.

Also, it gives someone who is in the middle and can go either way, the oppurtunity to see what both sides legitimately offer to learn about the issue without having to research or study on their own. This allows them to make intelligent choices.

Unfortunately, it only works when both sides give info and take info in a mature way. Today, it's all a pissing game and insults and trying to one up the other. What that does is turns the people in the middle off, and they end up just wishing both sides would shut the fuck up.

Ahhhh, but there is the rub and the gist, not so much here.... but in the realm of true politics and offices and power, both sides realize that with their monopoly the only way to keep it is to argue as loud as you can, engage in pissing wars and turn people, who may make the true difference, off.

Also, with the Limbaughs, O'Reillys, Drudges, Moores and Frankens this sells the medium they do and makes them millions, upon millions. The down side to this and the reason they need to just chill out, is that they have furthered the "I'm right, fuck you pissant, shut up and be my bitch" attitudes between parties and those who debate. It becomes a game of "me, me, me and fuck you" which very unfortunately, when it happens like it is now the true losers are not the political parties or those making the millions..... in fact they get more power, bigger egos and millions from it...... No the true losers are we the people, because when you are involved in games like these, there is no give and take, no meeting halfway, no compromise, it's all or nothing...... and the people like us in the long run lose.

11-21-2005, 11:37 AM	#13 (permalink)
pan6467 Lennonite Priest Location: Mansfield, Ohio USA	I talk politics because I truly like debate and finding how one side gets to an opposing view. Because in true debates, I have learned a lot and thought about why I took the position I did. It forced me to know more about my position, which is always a good thing. Also, it gives someone who is in the middle and can go either way, the oppurtunity to see what both sides legitimately offer to learn about the issue without having to research or study on their own. This allows them to make intelligent choices. Unfortunately, it only works when both sides give info and take info in a mature way. Today, it's all a pissing game and insults and trying to one up the other. What that does is turns the people in the middle off, and they end up just wishing both sides would shut the fuck up. Ahhhh, but there is the rub and the gist, not so much here.... but in the realm of true politics and offices and power, both sides realize that with their monopoly the only way to keep it is to argue as loud as you can, engage in pissing wars and turn people, who may make the true difference, off. Also, with the Limbaughs, O'Reillys, Drudges, Moores and Frankens this sells the medium they do and makes them millions, upon millions. The down side to this and the reason they need to just chill out, is that they have furthered the "I'm right, fuck you pissant, shut up and be my bitch" attitudes between parties and those who debate. It becomes a game of "me, me, me and fuck you" which very unfortunately, when it happens like it is now the true losers are not the political parties or those making the millions..... in fact they get more power, bigger egos and millions from it...... No the true losers are we the people, because when you are involved in games like these, there is no give and take, no meeting halfway, no compromise, it's all or nothing...... and the people like us in the long run lose. __________________ I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?"