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Originally Posted by Marvelous Marv
I'm certain you have a source for that. Would you mind posting it? I was under the impression that the percentage of Christians was far lower.
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as of 2000:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/worldrel.htm
can't find the page I used before (I was on my home computer). I'll post the site when I get home.
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Originally Posted by alansmithee
That's not entirely correct. Many Nazi's weren't Christian. I seem to remember Hitler and many of his high officials being more athiest or pseudo-pagan, but this could be wrong. And also, the Nazi's weren't attacking in the name of religion, whereas many terrorists are attacking based soley on their religion (or so they claim).
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Most Nazis were protestant, and Hitler, in the beginning, used religion in his campign for control. Eventually, he went more mad and the uccult things surfaced, but that was late in the game.
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Originally Posted by alansmithee
Not all Islamic leaders would agree with this. As with Christianity, you can't label the entirety of the religion as either peaceful or violent. There are certainly portions who are decidedly not peaceful, and think that they are following Islamic tenets. Just as there were (and still are) certain segments of Christianity who think that violence is justified. I will say that from most historic accounts, Mohammed wasn't a peaceful individual (IIRC, he was a general).
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The teachings are peaceful. There will always be those wanting to make a religion into a militant organization. On the whole, Islam is very much peaceful. I still think Christianity is peaceful, despite crusades, bombings (pro life), etc.
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Originally Posted by alansmithee
I don't think that racist is the right term. Muslim usually refers to a certain religion (and you have used it yourself earlier in this context). But you are quite correct in the belief that not all muslims are terrorists. I would even hazard to guess that not even a majority are terrorists or terrorist sympathisers.
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You're probably right. Racist doesn't quite fit here. I was kinda perterbed when I wrote the response (sense he just copied and pasted his message, posibly without really thinking about it). What is the term for those who are bigotus towards those of a given religion?
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Originally Posted by alansmithee
This is only half-true again. Terrorists are dividing us-look only as far as the outcry against how detainees are being treated. Also, you get people who seek to bargain with them opposed to those who take a more hardline stance.
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I'm not sure they are to blame. Those who decided how to treat our prisoners are not terrorists. We were the ones to decide to torture and humiliate them. Besides, most people know that torture is not a reliable source of intel.
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Originally Posted by alansmithee
This is false. There is no proof to what you say here. If America wanted an empire, we wouldn't go about getting one in this way. I think your personal views are clouding your logic.
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OBL has refered to us multiple times as an empire in his infamous tapes. If America wanted an Empire, this seems a way to get it, only it's failing.
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Originally Posted by alansmithee
Don't understand this at all. What's with the patronizing, "pseudo-initiations" people have recently been trying to throw around. I personally believe that if the politics board had people half as knowledgeable, logical, and reasonable as they seem to think, comments like this wouldn't be necessary.
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Honestly? It's us starting to lose our patience. This post is 'entry level Bushite'. It was cut and pasted from an e-mail circulating around that really doesn't make sense and is only intended to confuse and misdirect. I was being condescending because the person who posted this thought he/she could just get away with it, like no one would shoot it down. Tilted Politics has heald my attention for so long not beacuse people post whatever they read. I come here because I know that most people here will really examine what's being said and are able to call bs for what it is. Despite partisan leanings, Tilted politics is an excelent source of information and discussion. Posts like this do not further that, but rather hinder it. Post what you think, let others think about it and let your understanding enlighten others, and let others understandings enlighten you. Alansmithee, you and I do not always agree, but I know that I can count on you to really think about what you're saying before you post it.