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Old 11-20-2005, 12:43 AM   #15 (permalink)
alansmithee
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Originally Posted by willravel
Yes, there have been many terrorist attacks, including those mentioned above. Unfortunatally for this article, those 7,581 terrorits were not all islamic. In fact less than 15% of those 7,581 were linked to Islamic groups. That changes the meaning of your statistic.
Nothing to argue with here, it's just that some people seem to think you are hiding something if you don't quote a whole post, even if you only have dispute with certain things.

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Unfortunatally, the person who wrote this (not a general, btw), clearly has no idea of what goes on in the mind of radical arab terrorists. In actuality, most if not all Islamic terror attacks in the last 50 years had to do with three things: one was religion, two was the former Soviet Union, and three was the empire of the west, the US. Because they sit on a vast amount of oil, the lifeblood of most technological econemies of the world, they are targets for political and military influence and control. How many US bombs total have been dropped on the Middle East in the past 50 years? I think I remember the number being in the hun dreds of thousands, correct me if I'm wrong. They are not jelous. They despise us because our bombs murder indescriminatly. They hate that they have sons and daughter that had nothing to do with any militant group who were blown to pieces by a carrier a hundred miles away. You think they want to be like us? That is totally and completly untrue, and whoever wrote this needs to seriously consider the perspectives of those who he claims to understand before writing such blatent and offensive fiction.
I think this is only partially true. Sure, some are obviously angered by US bombings. But many are also opposed to certain excesses they see in the west. And many are jealous of the cultural influence and wealth of the west. And many are angered at the west for years of exploitation. There are many reasons for terrorist actions, and not all can be as easily justified as you seem to think.

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Durring WW2, each German attack was carried out by a protestant. What does that mean? Well, by your logic, that means that protestents are Nazis.
That's not entirely correct. Many Nazi's weren't Christian. I seem to remember Hitler and many of his high officials being more athiest or pseudo-pagan, but this could be wrong. And also, the Nazi's weren't attacking in the name of religion, whereas many terrorists are attacking based soley on their religion (or so they claim).

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Actually, only 20.1% of the earth's population are Muslim. Get your facts straight. 33% of the worlds population is Christian.
Again, nothing to dispute here. Although, I would hazard to guess that most Muslims practice much more devoutly than the Christian population. I know that in America, most people will still self-identify as Christian despite never giving a thought to religion.

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That didn't answe the question. Your question was "Isn't the Muslim Religion peaceful?" The answer, of course, is yes. Islam teaches peace, not war.
Not all Islamic leaders would agree with this. As with Christianity, you can't label the entirety of the religion as either peaceful or violent. There are certainly portions who are decidedly not peaceful, and think that they are following Islamic tenets. Just as there were (and still are) certain segments of Christianity who think that violence is justified. I will say that from most historic accounts, Mohammed wasn't a peaceful individual (IIRC, he was a general).

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I can take a shot. The question is flawed, as we are not actually at war with any organization in particular (we have never engaged in a true 'war' with the al Qaeda), but at war with a label. That label is 'terrorism'.
I really see nothing wrong with this assessment. And the lack of clear focus is one of the major problems with the Bush administration's response to terrorism.

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What an unpleasant fiction. The current terrorist organizations of the world, muslim or not, do not have the power to hold a government hostage. In reality (something we might have to discuss several times in this response), Spain withdrew their troops because the civilians of Spain demanded it. The rest is quite absurd. You speak as if the terrorist army will march on nations. Do you know what terrorism is?
This is only partially correct. Terrorists can influence any gov't that has the trappings of democracy. Because they can attack the will of the people. Now, if we were talking about a dictatorship, you would be correct-so far terrorists lack the pure military force or economic clout to influence a totalitarian state.

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Racist. You are a racist. NOT ALL MUSLIMS ARE TERRORIST. Your question assumes that all muslims are terrorists.
I don't think that racist is the right term. Muslim usually refers to a certain religion (and you have used it yourself earlier in this context). But you are quite correct in the belief that not all muslims are terrorists. I would even hazard to guess that not even a majority are terrorists or terrorist sympathisers.

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Truely incorrect. Would racial profiling have prevented the Oklahoma City bombing? Would racial profiling been able to stop the unibomber? Again, I must accuse you of being a racist.
Not the same thing at all. Racial profiling doesn't work when the majority of those committing the acts you are seeking to deter are of the majority. But arabs are a minority in the west, which I think would make using profiling more effective. Now if you're talking Iraq or somewhere in the middle east, racial profilling would indeed be foolish.

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Terrorists do not divide us. Liars divide us. When we were attacked on September 11, 2001, we all stood united and said, "Let's get the b******s who did this." We were unified and realy to go get them. And at first, we supposedly did. We attacked al Qaeda training camps in Afghanistan. Then we invaded Iraq for some reason. That divided us.
This is only half-true again. Terrorists are dividing us-look only as far as the outcry against how detainees are being treated. Also, you get people who seek to bargain with them opposed to those who take a more hardline stance.

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Do you want to address why people are thinking of impeaching political officials? Or are you simply going to assume the accusations are wrong and assume that impeaching them would leave us worse off. Do you think Muslims will invade America if the Secretary of Defence is impeached? Honestly?
There's no need for discussion of impeachment if there is no basis. And I have yet to see any real basis. You can't address things that are illogical.

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Our Nero set the fire.
What fire? I agreed with the OP here. It is silly the outcry that is made over the supposed abuse of terrorists.

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Incorrect again. They want to kill westerners, not infadels. Do you know waht infadel means?
I think you are wrong here. If this were true, there wouldn't be so many Iraqi's targetted by terrorists.

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Actually, there are thousands of lines of defence right now.
I don't think that we are the sole line of defense, but I do see us as mainly isolated. Many countries prefer to negotiate, which doesn't usually work with fanatics.

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That's not what they meant. We are called arrogant because we think we can create an empire without people noticing.
This is false. There is no proof to what you say here. If America wanted an empire, we wouldn't go about getting one in this way. I think your personal views are clouding your logic.


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China would survive, but that doesn't matter as your theory is unlikely to pass.
When did China become a free country? I bet around 1 billion people would be suprised to hear that they were free now.

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The US allows freedom of speeck, freedom of thought, freedom of religion, freedom of press, equal rights for most, and plenty of muslims live in America. Almost 6 million.
This is silly, and you must know it. Why did you bother replying if you are just going to blatantly misinterpret what he says. Nobody thinks that the US is a muslim country. If it's anything, it would be a Christian country. And there must be something telling about the general status of muslim countries if you had to try to make the claim of US being muslim and couldn't find a muslim country that had those freedoms.

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This has been a long way of saying 'don't question the currrent administration, or the terrrorists will come to your house'.
I think the only thing stopping what the OP predicted is the relative weakness of the terrorists. I have no doubt in my mind that it would happen as he said if they had more power.

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Racist. Again. The muslims are a religious group. Radical Islamic terrorists are a tiny, tiny fraction of that whole. Do you really think that over 20% of the earths population are terrorists? Wow. And people call me crazy.
How is that racist? Many mostly muslim parts of France had people already demanding autonomy from the central government. And I wouldn't call the mass rioting the work of fringe radicals.

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*clears throat* patriot act *clears throat*
Nothing to argue with here. Even though I agree with what the patriot act does, you can't argue that the patriot act doesn't limit freedoms somewhat.

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Nope. I've given up not one freedom to anyone outiside of the US, and neither have you.
This is wrong, if you assume the patriot act to be an outgrowth of terrorist attacks on the US. But as for the OP's point, I really don't see it, because if anything we are giving them freedoms that they do not deserve (in the case of terrorist prisoners).

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Racist.
Here, I kind of agree with you. I think that kind of broad brush painting doesn't really do any good.

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We need to remove the current administration from power and make sure that their indoctrination, made evident above, can be undone.
Wrong. The current administration might have some problems (especially in their economic policy) but they are far better than any of the alternates we've been given.

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Welcome to TFP politics.
Don't understand this at all. What's with the patronizing, "pseudo-initiations" people have recently been trying to throw around. I personally believe that if the politics board had people half as knowledgeable, logical, and reasonable as they seem to think, comments like this wouldn't be necessary.
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