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Originally Posted by Seaver
You'd be saying the EXACT same thing if there was no vote. How they ran from it instead of debating.
The fact of the matter is 1.5 out of 10 Americans want to pull out of Iraq. The fact of the matter is Iraq will be an incubator for worldwide terrorism (instead of a battlefield it is now) if we pull out. The fact of the matter is there is no possible way of an immediate pull out without us stabbing ourselves in the back and twisting the knife......
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So you are saying that no politician, even one with the combat experience to assess what he has learned in his own fact finding tour of the war area, and in discussions with troop commanders in the war area, should call for an end to the participation of combat troops, until the polls of the public decidedly favor such a call.
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http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/11/18/murtha.iraq/
White House: Murtha's call is 'surrender'
Democratic hawk: U.S. must leave Iraq
Friday, November 18, 2005; Posted: 12:27 p.m. EST (17:27 GMT)
.......He also took a swipe at Vice President Dick Cheney and President Bush, who have accused Democratic critics of playing politics during a war.
"I like guys who've never been there who criticize us who've been there," Murtha said. "I like that. I like guys who got five deferments and never been there and sent people to war and then don't like to hear suggestions that what may need to be done."
Cheney avoided military service during the 1960's Vietnam era with a series of draft deferments, and Bush served stateside in the National Guard during Vietnam.
Murtha was wounded twice in Vietnam..........
....Divide over the war
Public support for the conflict has dropped sharply over the last few months. Only 35 percent of those surveyed in a CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll published Monday supported the Bush administration's handling of the conflict, and 54 percent said the invasion was a mistake.
The poll also found that 19 percent of Americans want to see the troops come home now, and 33 percent said they wanted them home within a year. Only 38 percent said they should remain "as long as needed."
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Murtha's call was motivated by his personal concern and support of our troops. He viewed them in Iraq in person, and he saw and heard from their commanders that they are positioned like sitting ducks...as targets.....positioned by civilian leadership in the U.S. improperly, used and abused in a way not befitting their training, tactics, or equipment. They are combat troops and they are being held indefinitely past their CIC's own, "Mission Accomplished" declaration. Murtha observed the state of things for these troops in Iraq, and he called out the political leadership on the issue of the misuse of the troops.
Talking points, parroted in unison won't change what has happened to Murtha as a consequence of his vocal support for our troops.