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Originally Posted by politicophile
Yes. I would believe that President Bush deliberately misled the public regarding the case for war in Iraq if the majority of people who saw the same intelligence he did opposed authorizing him to use military force. It would be sufficient to convince me if you could show one, or both, of the following two things to be true:
1. The majority of Senators, preferably including at least one Republican, who saw the exact same intelligence report as the President, decided to vote against authorizing the President to use military force against Iraq.
2. The President did not supply any Senators or Congressmen with the full classified report that he used to support his case for war.
That is my standard for falsification of my position.
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politicophile....I've already explained that a combination of restrictions that confine who in congress was authorized to view classified information, combined with overwhelming political pressure and administration co-ordinated propaganda, timed to coincide with the first anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, caused the senate October 11, 2002 "vote" to be as skewed toward the authorization for the president to use force, as it was. The chairman of the senate intelligence committee tried to open the consideration of all of the facts that he was privy to....to the rest of the senate. The white house blocked the CIA director from co-operating. Chairman Bob Graham then voted against the resolution.
I've lived through all of this before.....I know how it ends...
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...uly/pent71.htm
Court Rules for Newspapers, 6-3
Decision Allows Printing of Stories on Vietnam Study
By John P. MacKenzie
Washington Post Staff Writer
July 1, 1971
......Douglas called the documents "all history, not future events," but said they were "highly relevant to the debate in Congress" over Vietnam.
He joined Black in declaring, "The press was protected so that it could bare the secrets of government and inform the people. Only a free and unrestrained press can effectively expose deception in government. <h3>And paramount among the responsibilities of a free press is the duty to prevent any part of the government from deceiving the people and sending them off to distant lands to die of foreign fevers and foreign shot and shell.".....</b>
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It's going to go the same way this time, as it did last time, but unfortunately, not before a lot more American kids, right around your age, are killed or maimed by "foreign shot and shell".
I cannot debate or discuss this with you. You are unresponsive to an informed argument or to any evidence that flies in the face of your assumptions. I agree that our exchanges are not charged with animosity, but my effort is reduced to displaying my POV alongside yours, on the off chance that someone will come along who will consider and then contemplate all of our efforts here, without the influence of any consensus that we might have displayed here, if a point by point debate had been possible.