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... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.
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Originally Posted by RonRyan85
1. When did the threat to us start?
Many will say September 11, 2001. The answer as far as the United States is concerned is 1979, 22 years prior to September 2001 with the following attacks on us:
* Iran Embassy Hostages, 1979;
* Beirut, Lebanon Embassy 1983;
* Beirut, Lebanon Marine Barracks 1983;
* Lockerbie, Scotland Pan-Am flight to New York 1988;
* First New York World Trade Center attack 1993;
* Dhahran, Saudi Arabia Khobar Towers Military complex 1996;
* Nairobi, Kenya US Embassy 1998;
* Dares Salaam, Tanzania US Embassy 1998;
* Aden, Yemen USS Cole 2000;
* New York World Trade Center 2001;
* Pentagon 2001.
(Note that during the period from 1981 to 2001 there were 7,581 terrorist attacks worldwide).
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Yes, there have been many terrorist attacks, including those mentioned above. Unfortunatally for this article, those 7,581 terrorits were not all islamic. In fact less than 15% of those 7,581 were linked to Islamic groups. That changes the meaning of your statistic.
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2. Why were we attacked?
Envy of our position, our success, and our freedoms. The attacks happened during the administrations of Presidents Carter, Reagan, Bush 1, Clinton and Bush 2. We cannot fault either the Republicans or Democrats as there were no provocations by any of the presidents or their immediate predecessors, Presidents Ford or Carter.
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Unfortunatally, the person who wrote this (not a general, btw), clearly has no idea of what goes on in the mind of radical arab terrorists. In actuality, most if not all Islamic terror attacks in the last 50 years had to do with three things: one was religion, two was the former Soviet Union, and three was the empire of the west, the US. Because they sit on a vast amount of oil, the lifeblood of most technological econemies of the world, they are targets for political and military influence and control. How many US bombs total have been dropped on the Middle East in the past 50 years? I think I remember the number being in the hun dreds of thousands, correct me if I'm wrong. They are not jelous. They despise us because our bombs murder indescriminatly. They hate that they have sons and daughter that had nothing to do with any militant group who were blown to pieces by a carrier a hundred miles away. You think they want to be like us? That is totally and completly untrue, and whoever wrote this needs to seriously consider the perspectives of those who he claims to understand before writing such blatent and offensive fiction.
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3. Who were the attackers?
In each case, the attacks on the US were carried out by Muslims.
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Durring WW2, each German attack was carried out by a protestant. What does that mean? Well, by your logic, that means that protestents are Nazis.
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4. What is the Muslim population of the World? 25%.
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Actually, only 20.1% of the earth's population are Muslim. Get your facts straight. 33% of the worlds population is Christian.
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5. Isn't the Muslim Religion peaceful?
Hopefully, but that is really not material. There is no doubt that the predominately Christian population of Germany was peaceful, but under the dictatorial leadership of Hitler (who was also Christian), that made no difference. You either went along with the administration or you were eliminated. There were 5 to 6 million Christians killed by the Nazis for political reasons (including 7,000 Polish priests). (see > http://www.nazis.testimony.co.uk/7-a.htm )
Thus, almost the same number of Christians were killed by the Nazis, as the six million holocaust Jews who were killed by them, and we seldom heard of anything other than the Jewish atrocities. Although Hitler kept the world focused on the Jews, he had no hesitancy about killing anyone who got in his way of exterminating the Jews or of taking over the world - German, Christian or any others.
Same with the Muslim terrorists. They focus the world on the US, but kill all in the way -- their own people or the Spanish, French or anyone else. The point here is that just like the peaceful Germans were of no protection to anyone from the Nazis, no matter how many peaceful Muslims there may be, they are no protection for us from the terrorist Muslim leaders and what they are fanatically bent on doing -- by their own pronouncements -- killing all of us "infidels." I don't blame the peaceful Muslims. What would you do if the choice was shut up or die? |
That didn't answe the question. Your question was "Isn't the Muslim Religion peaceful?" The answer, of course, is yes. Islam teaches peace, not war.
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6. So who are we at war with?
There is no way we can honestly respond that it is anyone other than the Muslim terrorists. Trying to be politically correct and avoid verbalizing this conclusion can well be fatal. There is no way to win if you don't clearly recognize and articulate who you are fighting.
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I can take a shot. The question is flawed, as we are not actually at war with any organization in particular (we have never engaged in a true 'war' with the al Qaeda), but at war with a label. That label is 'terrorism'.
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So with that background, now to the two major questions:
1. Can we lose this war?
2. What does losing really mean?
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What an unpleasant fiction. The current terrorist organizations of the world, muslim or not, do not have the power to hold a government hostage. In reality (something we might have to discuss several times in this response), Spain withdrew their troops because the civilians of Spain demanded it. The rest is quite absurd. You speak as if the terrorist army will march on nations. Do you know what terrorism is?
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If we can't stop the Muslims, how could anyone else?
The Muslims fully know what is riding on this war, and therefore are completely committed to winning, at any cost. We better know it too and be likewise committed to winning at any cost.
Why do I go on at such lengths about the results of losing? Simple. Until we recognize the costs of losing, we cannot unite and really put 100% of our thoughts and efforts into winning. And it is going to take that 100% effort to win.
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Racist. You are a racist. NOT ALL MUSLIMS ARE TERRORIST. Your question assumes that all muslims are terrorists.
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So, how can we lose the war?
Again, the answer is simple. We can lose the war by "imploding." That is, defeating ourselves by refusing to recognize the enemy and their purpose, and really digging in and lending full support to the war effort. If we are united, there is no way that we can lose. If we continue to be divided, there is no way that we can win!
Let me give you a few examples of how we simply don't comprehend the life and death seriousness of this situation.
President Bush selects Norman Mineta as Secretary of Transportation. Although all of the terrorist attacks were committed by Muslim men between 17 and 40 years of age, Secretary Mineta refuses to allow profiling. Does that sound like we are taking this thing seriously? This is war! For the duration, we are going to have to give up some of the civil rights we have become accustomed to. We had better be prepared to lose some of our civil rights temporarily or we will most certainly lose all of them permanently.
And don't worry that it is a slippery slope. We gave up plenty of civil rights during WWII, and immediately restored them after the victory and in fact added many more since then.
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Truely incorrect. Would racial profiling have prevented the Oklahoma City bombing? Would racial profiling been able to stop the unibomber? Again, I must accuse you of being a racist.
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Do I blame President Bush or President Clinton before him?
No, I blame us for blithely assuming we can maintain all of our Political Correctness, and all of our civil rights during this conflict and have a clean, lawful, honorable war. None of those words apply to war. Get them out of your head.
Some have gone so far in their criticism of the war and/or the Administration that it almost seems they would literally like to see us lose. I hasten to add that this isn't because they are disloyal. It is because they just don't recognize what losing means. Nevertheless, that conduct gives the impression to the enemy that we are divided and weakening. It concerns our friends, and it does great damage to our cause.
Of more recent vintage, the uproar fueled by the politicians and media regarding the treatment of some prisoners of war, perhaps exemplifies best what I am saying. We have recently had an issue, involving the treatment of a few Muslim prisoners of war, by a small group of our military police. These are the type prisoners who just a few months ago were throwing their own people off buildings, cutting off their hands, cutting out their tongues and otherwise murdering their own people just for disagreeing with Saddam Hussein.
And just a few years ago these same type prisoners chemically killed 400,000 of their own people for the same reason. They are also the same type enemy fighters, who recently were burning Americans, and dragging their charred corpses through the streets of Iraq.< BR style="FONT-SIZE: 18px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
And still more recently, the same type enemy that was and is providing videos to all news sources internationally, of the beheading of American prisoners they held.
Compare this with some of our press and politicians, who for several days have thought and talked about nothing else but the "humiliating" of some Muslim prisoners -- not burning them, not dragging their charred corpses through the streets, not beheading them, but "humiliating" them.
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Terrorists do not divide us. Liars divide us. When we were attacked on September 11, 2001, we all stood united and said, "Let's get the b******s who did this." We were unified and realy to go get them. And at first, we supposedly did. We attacked al Qaeda training camps in Afghanistan. Then we invaded Iraq for some reason. That divided us.
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Can this be for real?
The politicians and pundits have even talked of impeachment of the Secretary of Defense. If this doesn't show the complete lack of comprehension and understanding of the seriousness of the enemy we are fighting, the life and death struggle we are in and the disastrous results of losing this war, nothing can.
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Do you want to address why people are thinking of impeaching political officials? Or are you simply going to assume the accusations are wrong and assume that impeaching them would leave us worse off. Do you think Muslims will invade America if the Secretary of Defence is impeached? Honestly?
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To bring our country to a virtual political standstill over this prisoner issue makes us look like Nero playing his fiddle as Rome burned -- totally oblivious to what is going on in the real world. Neither we, nor any other country, can survive this internal strife. Again I say, this does not mean that some of our politicians or media people are disloyal. It simply means that they are absolutely oblivious to the magnitude, of the situation we are in and into which the Muslim terrorists have been pushing us, for many years.
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Our Nero set the fire.
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Remember, the Muslim terrorists stated goal is to kill all infidels! That translates into ALL non-Muslims -- not just in the United States, but throughout the world.
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Incorrect again. They want to kill westerners, not infadels. Do you know waht infadel means?
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We are the last bastion of defense.
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Actually, there are thousands of lines of defence right now.
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We have been criticized for many years as being 'arrogant.' That charge is valid in at least one respect. We are arrogant in that we believe that we are so good, powerful and smart, that we can win the hearts and minds of all those who attack us, and that with both hands tied behind our back, we can defeat anything bad in the world!
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That's not what they meant. We are called arrogant because we think we can create an empire without people noticing.
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If we don't recognize this, our nation as we know it will not survive, and no other free country in the world will survive if we are > defeated.
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China would survive, but that doesn't matter as your theory is unlikely to pass.
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And finally, name any Muslim countries throughout the world that allow freedom of speech, freedom of thought, freedom of religion, freedom of the press, equal rights for anyone -- let alone everyone, equal status or any status for women, or that have been productive in one single way that contributes to the good of the world.
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The US allows freedom of speeck, freedom of thought, freedom of religion, freedom of press, equal rights for most, and plenty of muslims live in America. Almost 6 million.
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This has been a long way of saying that we must be united on this war or we will be equated in the history books to the self-inflicted fall of the Roman Empire. If, that is, the Muslim leaders will allow history books to be written or read.
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This has been a long way of saying 'don't question the currrent administration, or the terrrorists will come to your house'.
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If we don't win this war right now, keep a close eye on how the Muslims take over France in the next 5 years or less. They will continue to increase the Muslim population of France and continue to encroach little by little, on the established French traditions. The French will be fighting among themselves, ov er what should or should not be done, which will continue to weaken them and keep them from any united resolve. Doesn't that sound eerily familiar?
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Racist. Again. The muslims are a religious group. Radical Islamic terrorists are a tiny, tiny fraction of that whole. Do you really think that over 20% of the earths population are terrorists? Wow. And people call me crazy.
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Democracies don't have their freedoms taken away from them by some external military force. Instead, they give their freedoms away, politically correct piece by politically correct piece.
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*clears throat* patriot act *clears throat*
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And they are giving those freedoms away to those who have shown, worldwide, that they abhor freedom and will not apply it to you or even to themselves, once they are in power.
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Nope. I've given up not one freedom to anyone outiside of the US, and neither have you.
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They have universally shown that when they have taken over, they then start brutally killing each other over who will be the few who control the masses. Will we ever stop hearing from the politically correct, about the "peaceful Muslims"?
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Racist.
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I close on a hopeful note, by repeating what I said above. If we are united, there is no way that we can lose. I hope now after the election, the factions in our country will begin to focus on the critical situation we are in, and will unite to save our country. It is your future we are talking about! Do whatever you can to preserve it.
After reading the above, we all must do this not only for ourselves, but ourchildren, our grandchildren, our country and the world.
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We need to remove the current administration from power and make sure that their indoctrination, made evident above, can be undone.
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