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Originally Posted by shakran
Yes but what that means is that such comparisons are not generally meaningful. After all, Hitler and Bush both used limos to get around. Doesn't have anything to do with whether Bush will do what Hitler did.
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I don't remember ever comparing anything Bush did to the holocaust. I've compared other actions that are seemingly similar between the two men, none of which have been refuted (except the twin towers thing, which we'll leave alone).
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Originally Posted by shakran
What you're missing in your attempt to cast Bush as a potential Hitler is that Bush could never be Hitler. Ever. He simply doesn't have the brains. Psychopathic as he was, Hitler was very intelligent. HE orchestrated his rise to power. Once there, HE made the decisions. Bush simply isn't smart enough for a repeat performance. Others got him there, others are making the decisions for him.
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Hitler surrounded himself with intelligent people. Hitlers greates ability was that he was enthusiastic and could convince people of anything. He was a superb speaker. Can't the same be said of Bush?
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Originally Posted by shakran
Hitler had a plan and an agenda and figured out how to accomplish it, and went and did it. He started young, was successful at just about everything he put his mind to, and did EXTREMELY well in getting the germans to trust him, at least until the point where he had enough power that public trust no longer mattered.
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That's true. The course that we seem to be heading in that the asministration is pushing for does in fact date back at least to the PNAC and it's ultra conservative members drawing up plans back in the early to mid 90s.
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Originally Posted by shakran
Bush was a ne'er-do-well playboy until his 40's. An upward failure. Every business he touched failed. He failed as governor of Texas. And he's now failing obviously as the president - and he does not have nearly the military backing to subdue the people at this point.
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We'll have to wait and see. The reason this was brought up is do you want to be wrong? What if you're wrong and Bush has more power than you think. Do you want to be passivly responsible for something really bad happening?
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Originally Posted by shakran
And to say that Bush compares to Hitler insinuates that Bush intends to wipe out some race or religion. Bush doesn't have such clarity in any of his plans.
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No, it doesn't. If one were to compare Clinton to King David, one doesn't even have to mention God. One can talk about foreign policies, morality and military stratigies, despite the fact that King David is best known for his relationship to God in the bible. You can omit one characteristic and still compare two people on other facets. Yes, Hitler is best known for killing millions of innocent Jewish people and starting WW2. Was that all he did?
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Originally Posted by shakran
We have to remember that this is a president who doesn't watch the news, doesn't read the newspapers, and rarely reads books. He does not like to be educated. He does not like to think. It's very difficult to form a master genocide strategy if you don't like thinking. In fact as we've seen Bush tackles one step at a time without thinking or perhaps even realizing that there will be steps beyond the one he's on. He pushed for the Iraq war without considering what would happen once we invaded. It's obvious he never considered how we'd get out of Iraq.
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Are you so sure? What if this is a simple ploy to trick us into thinking he is partially retarded so that we underestimate him? Honeslty, I can't think of any president before Bush I'd consider anything less than intelligent. Could Bush be the first one? I suppose, but to me it's more likely that he is putting on a mask of ignorance.
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Originally Posted by shakran
Frankly, Hitler was a far more competently evil leader than Bush could ever be. Comparisons between the two are crazy.
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Not so. Take the comparison I made above:
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Originally Posted by Willravel
Hitler supported anti-semitic propoganda. Bush supports racial profiling against Arabs.
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Is it possible that this comparison, standing alone, is apt? I think so.
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Originally Posted by shakran
And that's even assuming Bush wants to be evil, which I do not necessarilly believe - I think it's far more likely that his evil advisors Cheney and Rumsfeld are using Bush as a puppet.
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What's the difference? Either way evil is coming through or from Bush. Either way there is evil. If Bush doesn't have the moral bravery to stand up to his puppet masters, then he still isn't fit to be president.
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Originally Posted by shakran
And comparing the invasion of Iraq to the invasion of Afghanistan is like comparing apples and aardvarks. They're not even in the same ballpark. Afghanistan was harboring the group that attacked us. We told them to give Al Qaeda up. They refused. They deserved to go down.
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The situation there was a lot more complicated than that.
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Originally Posted by shakran
Iraq hadn't done anything to us and wasn't harboring Al Qaeda, and didn't have the capability to hurt us even if they planned to. Afghanistan was justified. Iraq was mugging and murder on a grand scale.
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I half agree with you!
