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Originally Posted by raveneye
Sure, but what's the point here? Are you saying that if Clinton believed the same thing that Bush believed, then Bush was right in believing it? If so, then your premise is false, because Clinton did not believe that the intelligence warranted a full-scale invasion and occupation of the country. He certainly did not believe there was any actionable connection between Saddam and AQ.
SO if Clinton's views are being cited as evidence for the quality of the intelligence, then we are led to the opposite conclusion: the intelligence did not warrant what the U.S. is currently doing in Iraq.
It is of course easy to make a dishonest case for going to war without falsifying any intelligence: you can do it by cherry-picking those bits of intelligence that support your case, refusing to declassify those that don't support your case, or declassifying them at the last minute, and redacting caveats and disclaimers from those you do declassify. The commissions were not empowered to evaluate the use of any of these obfuscating methods.
There certainly is evidence that Bush did do some of this. For instance, the NIE report that "Hussein would not use weapons of mass destruction against the United States or turn them over to terrorists unless backed into a corner" was cleared for public use only a day before the Senate vote. If the report had concluded the opposite, I'm sure it would have been cleared months before.
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Originally Posted by CNN
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- From the Oval Office, President Clinton told the nation Wednesday evening why he ordered new military strikes against Iraq.
The president said Iraq's refusal to cooperate with U.N. weapons inspectors presented a threat to the entire world.
"Saddam (Hussein) must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas or biological weapons," Clinton said.
Operation Desert Fox, a strong, sustained series of attacks, will be carried out over several days by U.S. and British forces, Clinton said.
"Earlier today I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces," Clinton said.
"Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors," said Clinton.
Clinton also stated that, while other countries also had weapons of mass destruction, Hussein is in a different category because he has used such weapons against his own people and against his neighbors.
'Without delay, diplomacy or warning'
The Iraqi leader was given a final warning six weeks ago, Clinton said, when Baghdad promised to cooperate with U.N. inspectors at the last minute just as U.S. warplanes were headed its way.
"Along with Prime Minister (Tony) Blair of Great Britain, I made it equally clear that if Saddam failed to cooperate fully we would be prepared to act without delay, diplomacy or warning," Clinton said.
The president said the report handed in Tuesday by Richard Butler, head of the United Nations Special Commission in charge of finding and destroying Iraqi weapons, was stark and sobering.
Iraq failed to cooperate with the inspectors and placed new restrictions on them, Clinton said. He said Iraqi officials also destroyed records and moved everything, even the furniture, out of suspected sites before inspectors were allowed in.
"Instead of inspectors disarming Saddam, Saddam has disarmed the inspectors," Clinton said.
"In halting our airstrikes in November, I gave Saddam a chance -- not a license. If we turn our backs on his defiance, the credibility of U.S. power as a check against Saddam will be destroyed," the president explained.
Strikes necessary to stunt weapons programs
Clinton said he made the decision to strike Wednesday with the unanimous agreement of his security advisors.
Timing was important, said the president, because without a strong inspection system in place, Iraq could rebuild its chemical, biological and nuclear programs in a matter of months, not years.
"If Saddam can cripple the weapons inspections system and get away with it, he would conclude the international community, led by the United States, has simply lost its will," said Clinton. "He would surmise that he has free rein to rebuild his arsenal of destruction."
Clinton also called Hussein a threat to his people and to the security of the world.
Offensive Strike
"The best way to end that threat once and for all is with a new Iraqi government -- a government ready to live in peace with its neighbors, a government that respects the rights of its people," Clinton said.
Such a change in Baghdad would take time and effort, Clinton said, adding that his administration would work with Iraqi opposition forces.
Clinton also addressed the ongoing impeachment crisis in the White House.
"Saddam Hussein and the other enemies of peace may have thought that the serious debate currently before the House of Representatives would distract Americans or weaken our resolve to face him down," he said.
"But once more, the United States has proven that although we are never eager to use force, when we must act in America's vital interests, we will do so."
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The liberal historical revisionists would have you believe that George Bush and his cronies came up with the idea of invading Iraq before 9/11. Well, that's true... in a way. The appeal to Clinton is not intended to be a statement about the quality of the intelligence for invading Iraq.
What this story does prove, however, is that those who hate Bush for fabricating the justification for the Iraq war are... hating Bush for irrational reasons. Hence, this thread.
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