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Originally Posted by Dragonknight
True and not true at the same time. ""A federally licensed firearms dealer has to fill out paperwork and submit forms to us," Steel says. "They can make illegal sales and, obviously, some do, but they run the risk of getting caught and we usually catch up with them."
Most licensed dealers who sell illegally do so in large quantities and attempt to mask their sales. ATF records show that most of the recovered guns that have obliterated serial numbers and that were used in crimes originated from an illegal sale by a licensed dealer.
Dealers with no license usually don't go to that much trouble. They leave no paper trails and just how far within the law they operate is unknown In states such as Texas, where there are no civil restrictions on gun sales, the question rarely arises." ( http://www.chron.com/content/chronic.../gunpart2.html)
Also as the topic of choice (I admit that I've gotten off track a little myself) is "San Francisco bans ownership of handguns". This only applies to the residences of San Francisco and only the within the city limits. Now Frisco residents look like easy targets to any criminal with half a brain cell. Now Joe Shmo as a criminal has no worries about breaking into a home, because there's no chance that he/she can die from it. If this person is intent on breaking and interring they are not worried about driving 30 minutes out of town to buy a gun. |
I admit to being ignorant to many factes of the gun industry, but how in Gods name can law makers let this slide? Manufacrurers should only be able to sell to people who have gone through strict licensing and a record of every gun should sold or traded be kept, les the distributer lose his license, and be investigated for being an accomplice to murder. There should be NO dealers without a license. I naturally assumed (obviously a mistake) that those in charge of the gun industry would be responsible. Silly me.
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Originally Posted by Dragonknight
Okay this is a hit, not your average murder out of anger. This was planned and then executed. No defense to this, I die. Now is this the case all or most of the time, I say no. Most likely your murder out of anger involves breaking in finding the person you intent to kill then killing them. Are most criminals going to break into the bead room with the smaller windows that are harder to get through or the larger more accessible windows i.e. living room dinning room; or there going to come into the house via a route that offers the least resistance like a back door. If myself, my wife, or my security system (hell even a dog) hears any of this I know. That gives me all the time in the world to get and load my gun. Now the story ends differently, if I die in this story I died with that one more defensive measure. That one more measure means that much to me.
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I't not necessarily a hit. If someone who has sociopathic tendencies (someone who is capable of murder) really wants to rob a house without trouble, he'll kill everyone in the house as quickly and quietly as possible. Do you need a license to own a silencer? (I'm honesly asking, I don't know) He'll kill the man of the house first, probably in his sleep, and then kill the wife, then the oldest child, etc. Once they're all dead, he can take what he wants. Yes, this is not likely to be the norm as far as theft or home invasion, but it'll happen. If you're talking about someone who's willing to have a gun fight in your home, this is what you could be dealing with. Having a gun won't stop someone ready to pull the trigger.
In actuallity, most home invasions happen when the house is empty. Rarely will a home owner be in the house when the theif is in the house.
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This was just a senseless murder and I'm sorry but no amount of preparation can stop that. Now does a law that bans buns in homes or the sales of guns in a single city have anything to do with this? No. There’s no telling where this gun came from. Also is California going to ban handgun sales in the whole state, not if I live to be 200. As long as there's a state that still sells hand guns there will be handguns in every state. Yes some guns are banned across the nation but will all guns be banned ever? I think not.
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This is a test. If San Francisco sees gun violence go down, then maybe Oakland and surrounding areas will join in. Then a larger area, etc. etc. If you can get a large enough area to have gun bans, then gun violence will drop. Gun running in the US would be extremly difficult.
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Originally Posted by Dragonknight
Finally I do agree with you that guns have no practical purpose other then destruction. Even if there shot for sport at non living targets those targets are destroyed. Honestly I wish guns were'nt necessary, but I feel that they are.
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I appreciate that. We do live in a world of necessary evils. If, hypothetically, there were a way to have all guns dissapear at once, would you be for it?