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Originally Posted by rsl12
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought you were saying that, because ID is a supernatural claim (which, btw, I don't think it is, since aliens could potentially be the 'intelligent designers'), that it is unprovable/unrejectable under any circumstances.
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Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.
And a point about the "aliens" idea: that doesn't eliminate the necessity for supernatural agency, because it begs the question: how did the aliens come into existence? Again, the choices are NS/natural agency or supernatural agency.
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Originally Posted by rsl12
I disagree. It is perfectly possible to create a test for a supernatural claim (let's say, a person claiming mind-reading or telekinesis abilities) to determine if the claim is false.
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And if Uri can't bend the spoon in that test, he'll just say that the conditions weren't quite right, or that this time the spoon didn't bend but it became hotter, and too bad the test wasn't designed to measure temperature because it sure did work, etc. That's the thing about supernatural agencies: they don't behave. They're not like gravity which always does exactly what it's supposed to do.
It's the same with ID and creationism: there is no empirical test that is going to corner them; ergo they are not science.