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Originally Posted by willravel
It will be fact when we prove it conclusivly. When will that be? In several hundred thousand years when we are able to create life out of non life ourselves through controlled evolution.
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Well, there was the Miller-Urey experiment. They simulated the atmosphere of the young earth and were able to synthesize some amino acids out of organic molecules. It was a pretty big deal. Not exactly creating life, but it lent credence to organic molecules gradually transforming into cells.
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Originally Posted by sapiens
Evolution will never be proven fact. In science, you can never prove anything. You just find support or fail to find support.
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There are laws in science. The laws of thermodynamics for instance. It's pretty safe to assume that nobody can disprove those. And if they do, physics will be broken. To prove something in science just takes a ridiculous amount of support and nothing to the contrary.
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Originally Posted by pigglet
The thing that really annoys me the most about this whole thing is the insuation by proponents of ID that "evolutionists" claim that that evolution is a perfect, finished theory that completely explains everything that ever was, slaying God and Baby Jesus and Allah, Moses, and Siva too, on the way. That's just crap. Some of the points of ID are valid - the best lies contain hints of the truth. Evolution isn't a complete theory. There is definately "something else going on" than what we currently know. THERE ALWAYS IS. Scientists are just a ready to admit this as "theologists" are to point it out.
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Well, there are rabid supporters of any side of a debate. I'm a supporter of evolution, but I'll concede that there may have been a deity involved in the origin of the universe. Until there's evidence to the contrary, I'll keep an open mind to that possibility.
Just out of personal experience... I went to a catholic high school for two years and now attend a catholic college. I took plenty of science courses, and they all taught evolution. I don't know when ID first made an appearance, but I never heard a word of it in school. Schools run by conservative christians taught evolution instead of ID or creationism. In fact, the entire biology department at my college publicly opposes ID. What's my point? Just an interesting aside.