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Old 11-05-2005, 11:54 AM   #55 (permalink)
martinguerre
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Originally Posted by FoolThemAll
Then vote and campaign against them. Like you do with every other politician who holds beliefs you disagree with.
If necessary, i'd include outing. Again...i've said it here before...it's a stratagy i'm somewhat uncomfortable with, but have accepted as necessary in certain situations. When one of "us" decides that their welfare is more important than the rest of the community, i think it becomes a proper defense to note the hypocrasy involved.

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Not be a bigot?

Because there is no obvious and certain bigotry on the surface of some of the arguments I've listed. There's obvious possible bigotry; they could hold these positions because they consider same-sex relationships inferior. But there's no bigotry that's both necessarily tied to the belief and obvious. At least not as I see it. I see the bigotry being necessarily tied to the belief if you dig deeply enough (at least as far as I've dug), but not automatic as if it's a simple equation of "anti-gay marriage = anti-gay". There's nuances that prevent that kind of simplicity, even if the nuances can be torn down.
I don't think you can have it both ways. Unless queer persons are thought to be inferior to straight ones, i can think of no rational reason of not extending marraige and other basic rights. Those nuances are smokescreen, not substance, IMO.

I don't think we need to come to agreement, but what i wanted to show, is from one perspective how the rhetoric comes to be like this. A lot of people see outing or oreos and think that's where the discussion starts. They then often place blame accordingly.

But what i'm getting at here, is that there is a preceeding action in these cases that the community believes to be harmful enough to warrant retaliation. There's a reason, even if you disagree with it, for the rhetoric to be this heated.
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