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Originally Posted by martinguerre
without a serious dose of self-hatred, i don't know how a person could think that they deserve to be second class citizenry, or that their affirmation will cause the downfall of society. It's delusional to think oneself is that bad (and that important for that matter.)
Seriously. Think about what it would mean to believe that. In most cases, we would say it's pathological. It's absorbed self-hate...and if they want to think that privately, i think that's too bad. If they want me and others to hate ourselves... That's another matter entirely.
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You're still making a lot of assumptions that I'm not (yet?) willing to.
#1 - But with a serious dose of self-hatred? Would you concede that they could genuinely believe then? That it could be a matter of principle then?
#2 - It needn't be self-hatred. I'll bring up that one cliche, "Love the sinner, hate the sin". They could believe that there's nothing wrong with them so long as they aren't actually participating in any sort of homosexual act.
#3 - "Gay marriage destabilizes the institution" does NOT equal "affirmation of gay relationships is bad". Keep in mind the many people against legal gay marriage who have no problem with religious or nonreligious gay marriage ceremonies. Or the many people who don't mind the idea of civil unions.
#4 - They may not view it as a matter of second-class citizenry. Perhaps they view marriage as a function applicable only to heterosexual couples. Perhaps they don't view marriage as a right. (Libertarians in favor of removing marriage from the public sphere would agree.) Perhaps they view gay marriage as unnecessary catering to a minority group, like removing "In God We Trust" from our money. And perhaps those who are aware of situations like Gilda's would prefer that problem be fixed in a different way not altering the legal conception of marriage.
#5 - Dude, sometimes people just don't sufficiently examine their beliefs and don't see the flaws and unintended conclusions that you've been seeing.
There really are people out there who want to reserve marriage for heteros yet do not view gay couples as inferior. It's possible for the position to be devoid of any anti-gay sentiment.