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Originally Posted by irateplatypus
this does not make sense, you can't have both properties be true and be talking about the same society.
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Uh, yes. Those are the two major and opposing methods of being queer in a straigh society. Deal with it openly, or hide.
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but you are presupposing that they do think they deserve the respect of society... which would be illogical if they in fact do think of their homosexuality as wrong.
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Yeah, I am. Usually the self-haters go in to the "pass as straight" category, in which case, if they make policy moves harmful to the queer community, i think they've made themselves open season. Especially if they've been gracing our bedrooms while doing so...and they usually do.
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Originally Posted by foolthemall
Yeah, if personal gain was the only motivation, then it'd be treason. But a gay man/woman could easily be against hate-crime legislation on principle and the same is possible for an anti-gay marriage position. If that situation's still treason, then it's a treason I don't attach much significance to. Treason could be the correct choice.
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I'd disagree...in both cases, there is a demonstrated need for both policies...these are not nicities. Read gilda's thread about the accident...without marriage being available, there can be serious barriers to having one's partner be present after an accident or life threatening illness. Simply, there is no principled reason, IMO, for a queer person to not support queer rights: the right to have your partner visit you in the hospital, the right to be financially linked, the right to be a family, the right to be protected by the law. If somebody wants to get elected by denying me those basic rights, then its on.
Wealth and/or priviledge can shield a person from a great deal of the negative effects of homophobia and the like. I don't take kindly to the people who "make it" by stepping on the rest of us. I assume that it's a similar idea in racial minority communities. Since when is it okay for a person to take the support of a community for years, and then turn around and act like they don't owe anything back?