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host · 11-04-2005, 01:19 PM

willravel, thank you.....skier, I appreciate your patience and tolerance.
My aim was to point out that the last five years have exposed Americans to a propaganda campaign, and the technician (Luntz) and techniques that have made it so effective that it rivals only the remarkably similar campaign to shape and then control the opinion of the public in another country, 65 years ago.

The dilemma, willravel, is the risk that as Bush has stated, he will "catapult the propaganda" to the point where it suddenly influences a clampdown of all efforts to organize dissent and reistance to the agenda of these thugs. The risk of possibly being too early to vehemently protest what they are doing is outweighed, IMO, by the potential consequences, if these comparisions are not pointed out now. How else can you react when you witness, in your own recent times, your own leaders committing illegal war of aggression and other crimes against humanity, while simultaneously using Luntz/Rove tactics to consolidate and then strengthen the politcal base that enabled them to carry out their anti-American, and anti-humanity agenda.

I beleive that it is possible to compare the techniques of then and now, and the eeirily similar phrases, without dredging up debate on comparison of offenses that ensued as a result of mass brainwashing of a nation.

I pointed this out to help make the point that it is difficult for a "target" to explain the effect of a successful propaganda on his or her thinking. This is probably because the effect does not stimulate "thinking"...it creates "feelings", a much harder thing than a thought, when it comes to putting it into words.

I've invited the author of the recent TFP post linked here....
http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showpos...32&postcount=6

to come over and post on this thread, because I think that he is someone who "feel" his positions, but has the potential to post here as skier intends....
if anyone can. I'm not convinced though, that anyone can....or will.

11-04-2005, 01:19 PM	#54 (permalink)
host Banned	willravel, thank you.....skier, I appreciate your patience and tolerance. My aim was to point out that the last five years have exposed Americans to a propaganda campaign, and the technician (Luntz) and techniques that have made it so effective that it rivals only the remarkably similar campaign to shape and then control the opinion of the public in another country, 65 years ago. The dilemma, willravel, is the risk that as Bush has stated, he will "catapult the propaganda" to the point where it suddenly influences a clampdown of all efforts to organize dissent and reistance to the agenda of these thugs. The risk of possibly being too early to vehemently protest what they are doing is outweighed, IMO, by the potential consequences, if these comparisions are not pointed out now. How else can you react when you witness, in your own recent times, your own leaders committing illegal war of aggression and other crimes against humanity, while simultaneously using Luntz/Rove tactics to consolidate and then strengthen the politcal base that enabled them to carry out their anti-American, and anti-humanity agenda. I beleive that it is possible to compare the techniques of then and now, and the eeirily similar phrases, without dredging up debate on comparison of offenses that ensued as a result of mass brainwashing of a nation. I pointed this out to help make the point that it is difficult for a "target" to explain the effect of a successful propaganda on his or her thinking. This is probably because the effect does not stimulate "thinking"...it creates "feelings", a much harder thing than a thought, when it comes to putting it into words. I've invited the author of the recent TFP post linked here.... http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showpos...32&postcount=6 to come over and post on this thread, because I think that he is someone who "feel" his positions, but has the potential to post here as skier intends.... if anyone can. I'm not convinced though, that anyone can....or will. Last edited by host; 11-04-2005 at 01:29 PM..