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Originally Posted by Mojo_PeiPei
How does this constitute crimes against humanity? Call me a "lumpenconservative" brainwashed by "teh" "Bushwar" and "Bushco" lies, but this is some seriously ignorant shit. I know you don't like Shrub, hell as of late I'm not that fond of the man either, really starting to piss me off to be honest. That however does not make the man wrong in all situations. THe executive is granted certain wartime powers, as the commander-in-chief of the military, the man is allowed to establish military tribunals, he is allowed to detain people deemed illegal combatants outside of common/criminal jurisdiction, anybody captured in Afghanistan who is figured to be Al Qaeda is not legally entitled to any provisions of military protection whether it be Geneva or Hague accords, they are illegally fighting a war and they forfeit it by the way they fight.
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Even if he started the war by falsifying or misrepresenting the truth? That's not the way wartime justice works. That's not the way any kind of justice works. awrtime powers are granted so that those in power can take the necessary steps to defend the American people. As it turns out, we were never in danger. Therefore, all this whoohaa is moot, because the foundation of the war has crumbled time and time again. IF we were attacked or in serious danger, I would want to know that those in power would work to keep us safe and defend us, as that is a part of their job. This is not that case.
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Originally Posted by Mojo_PeiPei
Furthermore I think people like you are a cancer on America, again I know Bush isn't always right, by and large the dude is a moron, but we are fighting a war and it is shit like this that makes it clear that certain people don't have the balls to do what is necessary to win a war against a quasi-corporeal REAL enemy, all this shit does is hamstring America.
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You think it takes balls to win a war? Have you ever taken any classes or studied game theory? I must be clear about this...bravery and fortitude do not win battles or wars. They are wonderful virtues that people should admire, but their place on the battlefield lays far behind intelligence. As you said, Bush has shown time and again that he is a moron. Brave morons usually lose.
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Originally Posted by Mojo_PeiPei
What were those one documents called, the Manchester memos or something? You know those documents that were seized at a raid from a group of terrorists where they were told to lie in all cases and allege mistreatment in torture, which by the way I know it happens, I just A) don't care when it comes to illegal combatants who want to kill me for 40 virgins from Allah and B) I think America's national security trumps a foreign persons rights, especially somebody who is a fucking terrorist. It's always funny how you Roach and Host, taking any attempt to get at the administration, will take any side against them. Osama had a term for American civilians, he called us the paper tiger, who knows he just has to put the heat on and people like you will start screaming and yelping and Running, that's how he knows he can beat us, and to honest I agree with him.
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They were called the Downing Street Memos. You might want to look into who the memos were really siezed from.
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Originally Posted by Mojo_PeiPei
Finally Any talk about war crimes is perposterous, yes let's send our men, leaders and those who follow orders to an extra-judicial group, that doesn't rule by our accords such as double jeopardy, right to counsel, and right to not stand as witness against themselves; let's send them to a group of foreign nationals, who have a political agenda, who don't so much care about the truth or justice, but who just want to strike at America because they don't agree with out policy, bright fucking idea.
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How do you know what they do or don't care for? Many of those fighting American soldiers in Iraq now consider themselves to be freedom fighters. We invaded their land and they want us out now. From their perspective, and from the perspective of many others, they have the moral high ground. They are looking for justice.
I think it would be benificial for you to meet people living in Iraq right now. Their perspectives are frightening and will change your perception of reality in that place very much.