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roachboy · 11-04-2005, 12:42 PM

so if i understand the point of the above correctly, you are ruling out any possibility that bushco could be held accountable for this kind of foul policy by a non-american body? your argument to support this claim--if i understand it--seems to me weak.
why should the eu not investigate?
why should there not be consequences?
what domestic body is capable of holding someone like dick cheney to account for this kind of action, this policy?
this is not a technical question of jurisidictions--that would be another matter--but in principle, what possible process would you have in mind that could stop such policies on the part of a standing administration from within the united states?

edit: it seems to me that your argument, mojo, would imply that no matter what the united states does, no matter how far it goes in duplicating the characteristics of the enemy it is supposed to fight, all is fair, all is ok, nothing to be done.
this sounds like little more than a rationalization of a politics of impunity, which is suicide in the long run both internationally and domestically.

even if you take this bush-notion of a "war on terrorism" seriously--which i do not--i think it a joke--more incomprehensiably if you accept it on the administrations terms--you still have to admit that the transformation of the american position into a duplicate of what it is trying to fight is not good.

it also seem top me that the real basis of your argument is some kind of quaint nationalism. an assumption of the ultimate status of nation-states as over against the international community---something you would share with the bush people then. this administration is on its way to providing a strong demonstration that the american political system cannot be trusted to privde itself with responsible governance and perhaps should be subject to some oversight. for myself, i would not object to that.

last point: as for source material--if this were an isolated revelation, perhaps i would take your claims about evidence seriously-but it is not.

11-04-2005, 12:42 PM	#7 (permalink)
roachboy Super Moderator Location: essex ma	so if i understand the point of the above correctly, you are ruling out any possibility that bushco could be held accountable for this kind of foul policy by a non-american body? your argument to support this claim--if i understand it--seems to me weak. why should the eu not investigate? why should there not be consequences? what domestic body is capable of holding someone like dick cheney to account for this kind of action, this policy? this is not a technical question of jurisidictions--that would be another matter--but in principle, what possible process would you have in mind that could stop such policies on the part of a standing administration from within the united states? edit: it seems to me that your argument, mojo, would imply that no matter what the united states does, no matter how far it goes in duplicating the characteristics of the enemy it is supposed to fight, all is fair, all is ok, nothing to be done. this sounds like little more than a rationalization of a politics of impunity, which is suicide in the long run both internationally and domestically. even if you take this bush-notion of a "war on terrorism" seriously--which i do not--i think it a joke--more incomprehensiably if you accept it on the administrations terms--you still have to admit that the transformation of the american position into a duplicate of what it is trying to fight is not good. it also seem top me that the real basis of your argument is some kind of quaint nationalism. an assumption of the ultimate status of nation-states as over against the international community---something you would share with the bush people then. this administration is on its way to providing a strong demonstration that the american political system cannot be trusted to privde itself with responsible governance and perhaps should be subject to some oversight. for myself, i would not object to that. last point: as for source material--if this were an isolated revelation, perhaps i would take your claims about evidence seriously-but it is not. __________________ a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear it make you sick. -kamau brathwaite Last edited by roachboy; 11-04-2005 at 12:53 PM..