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Originally Posted by MoonDog
Ok, am I wrong for taking offense here? Apparently my Republican party is criminal in nature, a war-mongering group of "filthy rich" people who are class elitists. Since I am a Republican, I have to assume that this applies to me, as well as the countless Republican politicians that I have known personally on a local, state, and national level.
Guess what - I call "FOUL".
I come here only intermittently, and that is because I have a difficult time wallowing through the sarcasm, thinly-veiled insults, and efforts to use an overload of information as a club with which to beat the poster's message into the brains of President Bush's "co-conspirators".
Guess what? I'm a Republican, and I believe that:
1) Abortion is the woman's choice;
2) Government has no business mucking around in religion;
3) Big Oil is bad, and alternative fuels presents real economic opportunities for our country's future;
4) We need less taxes, but corporations should bear a slightly larger tax burden;
5) If you commit perjury as President, and get caught, maybe you shouldn't be President anymore;
6) If you lead a nation to war using intelligence that you KNOW is wrong, then maybe you shouldn't be President anymore;
7) If advisors close to the President are convicted of a crime, then they should lose their jobs;
8) We created the mess that was Saddam Hussein, and we needed to step up to the plate and fix things;
9) Most of our foreign policy goals in the Middle East, Korean Peninsula, and other areas, should continue to be addressed through diplomacy
10) Even though I make less than $50,000/year, I can still vote Republican
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Believe it or not in most cases I'm a moderate. I voted for Bush I in '88, liked Buchanan in '96 and would have voted for him. In '00 I voted for Nader and in '04 because of lack of choice I voted for Kerry although I liked Edwards far more.
In '08 I'll probably vote McCain if he runs, if not I'll probably vote for anyone but Hilary in the primary and in the general election see who is running.
My point is I get attacked for being a "know nothing, rhetoric spewing, leftist who should live anywhere but the US" because of some of my beliefs.
Moderate GOP's have a good platform, the Dems have great social plans and solutions and they are not always tax and spend.
We see Bush cut taxes but spend like crazy..... Clinton, like him or not managed to budget and had a surpluss. But yet Dems are considered the bad guys because of their social plans.
In topics like this I just like to show the hypocrisy of those who wanted to fry Clinton but all these Bush scandals are nothing and just say it's just a Dem ploy.
We are too divided in this nation. We don't truly debate issues anymore because everyone is too wrapped up in their partisan viewpoints and the "I'm right, you're wrong so go take a flying $%^&.
Yet, if we truly sat down got rid of the Limbaugh/Moore mentalities and decided to truly try to better the nation I believe we could. The problem is letting the moderates find their voices.
People like you get shoved aside because the radical GOP want everything their way. Same as the Dems., the moderate Dems. get shoved aside and the radicals make it hard for the rest.
The problem is the radicals aren't getting anything done except taking us totally into the shitter, and the people (and it's the very vast majority) in the middle get tired of hearing it so they tune it all out and don't give a damn anymore. Which, if I were a conspiracist (and I am in some ways), I'd say both radical sides would want so they can continue this fight and divisiveness.
And the moderates like me (socially very liberal, fiscally conservative) get attacked and attacked every time I try to debate so eventually it's take a side and fight to be heard or keep putting up with the bullshit.
I'm too passionate and I fight to be heard because I think my points are worth debating. I prefer to be peaceful but eventually when attacked for my beliefs and not faced with true debate, I fight back because the one thing I hate most is having my beliefs attacked without debate or justification.
Anyway, I hope this helps and explains a side to you.
I wish you and more moderates with level heads would come in and debate and start calling bullshit and start standing up and wanting to be heard. It would be refreshing to hear some of your ideas, beliefs and opinions.
There are some very, very good debaters on the other side (DJ, Bear, Stevo and Mojo when they want to be, and so on) I do respect their opinions because they show me and others respect at least a majority of the time and when they call bullshit on me I take it seriously and look at what I have been saying and showing.
So please hang around, more voices like yours may change the shape of this board and that is needed.
