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Old 11-03-2005, 06:46 PM   #142 (permalink)
Gilda
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Location: Out on a wire.
My face was painted with exaggerated stage makeup sure to shock anyone I might ask for help. Sure to draw attention when I needed to go unnoticed in this place. I was in what passed for Nashville's ghetto. In my pocket was a fat roll of 20 dollar bills and beside me lay a piece of jewelry bigger than my head . . . There was a phone about a block away, and I walked with a tired expression that I hoped said, "I really don't want to be bothered with kickin' your ass."

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That quote just seemed relevant to this discussion somehow.

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Originally Posted by SERPENT7
Gilda,
I highly doubt you are co-dependent. (This really applies to an addictive behavior. Is Sissy trying to imply you are addicted to Gracie, or what? I don't get it.) At most, you are physically fearful, and rely on Gracie as a shield against a world you find threatening. This makes me sad.
That's pretty much Sissy's take on it. I rely so heavily on Grace for protection that it limits me in being able to be assertive on my own. I don't deny this, but I also don't see anything wrong with it. That's the way the adult world works; when you aren't able to do something for yourself, you find someone who can do it to do it for you. That's one of the principles civilization is built on, division of labor. We have soldiers and police to provide protection for us as a society. We have parents to do the same as children. I have Grace to do that for me as an individual. I don't see how that's a bad thing.

Grace can't cook and hates housework, so I do that for her, and because of this, she's never really learned how and posesses no desire. Nor does she need to; she has me for that. We complement each other. That's not co-dependancy, that's a healthy relationship based on trust and respect.

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I find it interesting that most if not all of the peeps telling you to escalate the sit. most likely have never been in a violent confrontation, let alone gotten beaten for thier efforts. I understand your decision to flee.
Thank you.

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I have never been able to understand the conflict avoidant personality, however. This is a discussion i must have with my FriendGirl, and maybe after some insight, i can give more productive support.
It makes perfect sense to me. Being shy and introverted has just as many benefits as it does problems. I can't tell you how many girls I was attracted two after I came to accept that I was gay that I never tried to ask out. Because I was too shy to do anything about it, too scared of being embarrassed by hitting on a straight girl, I was saved the embarrassment and awkwardness of doing and saying something embarassing. Being scared of social interaction kept me from going to lesbian bars alone, which is why I was alone and available when Grace and I found each other.

Being introverted means avoiding risks. Avoid the risk, avoid the negative consequences. True, it also means avoiding the rewards, but in my experience it's a good tradeoff. Avoid conflict and you avoid getting hurt. It's a simple equation.

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Originally Posted by Cimarron29414
Gilda,

I don't know how to say this other than to say it: Every indication I see from your story and your responses implies a victim's mentality. You are enslaving yourself to this and it is negatively affecting your life and the lives of your loved ones. It WOULD do you some good to go to defense and strength classes - if only to improve your awareness and confidence. You seem to be a wonderful person who is denying herself a lot of opportunities by not overcoming this internal struggle.
You don't know enough about my family to make judgements regarding how my lack of assertiveness affects them. Yes, I'm submissive, but, and I understand that this may be difficult to understand, I like it that way. I like having a strong person to take care of and protect me, to make the important decisions on our behalf. This is the kind of relationship I want, the kind of relationship in which I'm happiest.

Second, I have access to defense training right here at home should I desire to take advantage of it. I don't. I'd much, much rather avoid the physical confrontation than be involved in one. Being hit is one of my very least favorite things in the world, and I've been hit often enough to know that it's something I never, ever want to experience again under any circumstances.

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You say you aren't cut out for confrontation - maybe that is because you have no experience or training in that matter.
Experience has shown me that a physical confrontation means getting hurt. Fighting back against a man larger than I am means getting hurt worse. If I can flee a physical confrontation, I will.

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Thus, you are conditioning yourself to continue to be a target for people and continuing the cycle in your life. Break the cycle by going to the defense classes and refer back to my post# 125.
I'm conditioning myself? I'm merely being realistic. I've been in enough physical confrontations that I know exactly how confronting a man physically will turn out before it even begins. Taking precautions to avoid and prevent that seems a resonable and realistic assessment of my abilities.

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Not possible, unless you want to live your life in your house with endless meals of Domino's pizza.
I can go out with my wife and/or sister and enjoy activities together.

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If you want to be a member of society, you are going to encounter people that you wouldn't want to encounter.
I'm a fully participating member of society. I've been a middle school teacher and will begin teaching at the university level this January. I've given presentations at teaching conferences and couseled gay teenagers. To imply that a lack of assertiveness in social and physical situations somehow makes me a lesser member of society borders on insult.

Of course you're going to encounter people you don't want to. This doesn't mean that a confrontation with them is inevitable. It's often quite easy to avoid the confrontation, to walk away, to refuse to participate, and if a confrontation does occur, it needn't escalate to a physical confrontation.

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The only thing one can do to prevent exploitation is equip themselves with the knowledge to prevent it AND to improve one's ability to protect themselves in the event that confrontation is unavoidable.
Utter nonsense. In addition to common sense prevention measures, like parking in well lit areas, having my groceries carried out and loaded for me, not going to clubs by myself, I can go out with protection in the form of my wife, something I do quite frequently, and have her protection. I can go out with my sister, and though she'd be no better off in a fight than I would, numbers provide us with protection.

And there's nothing wrong with just being more comfortable at home than out. It's just how some of us are wired.

Gilda
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