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Old 10-19-2005, 03:12 AM   #204 (permalink)
Zyr
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Francisco: "Can't because he won't" is perfectly fine, if you assume that the universe is mechanical, that one thing leads to another. Like I said, if you will never do something, then it's not an option, it's not a viable outcome to the situation, it's impossible, you can't do it.

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All our knowledge is based on faith.
Mantus: You say this, then use it a paragraph later to prove the absurdity of omniscience. Would you like to back this up before you use it to prove things? I'm not saying it's wrong, but it's kinda, out-of-the-blue.

asaris: I guess there is no difference between you knowing something and an omniscient being knowing it. This does mean that if you know something, then you are stoping something else from happening though.

If we assume that something knows A, and that this knowledge is infallable, then A has to happen. If it didn't, then our premise is wrong. If this thing is ominscient, then proving it wrong would prove that it wasn't omniscient. If we mean that something is truely omniscient, then it cannot be proven wrong. To prove it wrong would be to do anything other than what it know's will happen.
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