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Originally Posted by roachboy
pigglet: i admit that i have a healthy contempt for conservative ideology and find its way of deploying under bush to be a kind of fascism-lite.
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no...say it ain't so
but seriously, let's put it this way. maybe it's not hatred, and i only used that as an
potential example - seemed maybe pertinent - but i think maybe you could see where one might get that impression. i have no interest in trying to argue definitions and semantics, but certain choices of words and ways of describing the bush administration might leave one thinking. don't get me wrong, i'm no fan.
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but to impute anything on the order of hatred to me or anyone else is nothing more or less than an act of projection on your part.
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that might be a little strong, i think, unless you're interested in fairly tangental discussion of psychology and the inherent necessity of projection in the process of making judgements, in which case i'd certainly have to say "of course. we all do." otherwise, i'm not sure i agree, but i guess maybe. i wouldn't personally count myself a "conservative," but i guess that depends on who's judging, etc.
in any event, i guarrantee you that if you inspect any portion or social subgroup of our population, and select their most ardent hardliners, you'll find some hatred. i mean, if you don't feel you fit the bill, how about jaenine garafollo (sp?). I don't think she'd even try to protest the fact that she hates rush. ask her. i'll bet she'll admit it with glee. i wish she wasn't so whiny when she argued, because i think she's pretty funny and kind of hot - but i guess that's a different thing altogether.
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but this is a curious place for this kind of discussion, dont you think?
the thread is about the errant satellite feed and its consequences--a moment of self-demolition of the white house's particular brand of consensus-hallucination. dont you find it interesting that there are so many dissociative remarks from conservative folk in this, of all threads?
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well, not really. i think it's typical strawman argumentation to some extent that shows up a lot, and i think that its kind of expected given the nature of the thread. i mean, these things typically lose their original intent after 10 posts anyways. etc.
in any event, don't get wrong - i didn't mean to attack you, but only use some of your posting style as an example in the "rightwing hate speech" stuff that I think you may have brought in with this :
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"reduce criticisms of bush to questions of "hatred"----cultivating that particular emotion is a conservative trick"
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and that it shows up on the "left" too. if you feel i wrongly mischaracterized you, i apologize. i tend to agree with many of your positions, but i simply thought some of the underpinning of your positions might be interesting.
regardless - none of this detracts from the fact that this is certainly business as usual in the big politics game. i'm just not surprised by it any more. i think it's going to take serious change in our government to knock this crap out, even for a temporary period of time between corrupt regimes.