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Originally Posted by asaris
To the contrary, I think we can pretty clearly make a distinction. Consider two men in a locked room. Neither can leave. One man wants to be there, the other does not. Do we really want to say that there's no difference between these two men?
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Will there be any way to tell which is which without special knowledge?
If not, then,
in effect there is no difference between them.
As for the point you're trying to make,
Francisco has shown some trouble grasping the concept. You may have better luck, since I don't believe he suspects you of being a cryptotheist with sneaky ulterior motives.