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Old 10-10-2005, 11:10 PM   #36 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by powerclown
Vietnam's economy is stronger than Pakistan's, and almost equal to the Phillipines. Not bad for such a tiny country.
In case you hadn't noticed, vietnam is communist. So much for our ability to spread democracy by force.

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If peace and security were to be guaranteed for the next 250 years, would the sacrifice be worth it? That's all I'm saying.
No, you're flipflopping your comebacks to try and mask the fact that you don't have a leg to stand on. Either it's about oil or it's about spreading democracy. Oil doesn't have anything to do with peace and security.

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If the administration had gone to the trouble to explain the geo-politics of the situation, he would enjoy more support in the States, and possibly the rest of ther world.
The geopolitics of the situation is that Saddam was the buffer between Iran and the rest of the middle east. That's why we propped him up in the 80's. To keep that buffer. Now that we've been stupid and removed the buffer, Iran can run roughshod over everything by building up in Iraq first. And guess what, that's exactly what they're doing!

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The fact that he didn't shouldn't presuppose that it's was the wrong thing to do.Thank you. Can we sticky this?
If you want to sticky the concept that Bush declined to explain the bullshit you buy into in favor of explaining the bullshit you do not buy into that is fine, but in the end, either explanation smells the same.

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America isn't annihilating Iraq
Tell that to the people trying to survive amongst the rubble caused by our bombs.

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I don't understand this: You agree that America should not stand neutral, yet you choose to bind it's moral initiative to those who ask for help. But the problem is, how can you help a country that is silenced by its leader?
We were supposedly "silenced" by Brittain when France helped us in the revolutionary war. They figured it out over 200 years ago. America should be willing to help if asked, but it should not force things upon countries that do not want them. Iraq doesn't want a democracy. Because of that, democracy will not work in Iraq.


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At the risk of sounding like Bush, I'll just say this: 8 million people proved you wrong back in January.
Which 8 million people would that be?

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Your implication is that Fascism is the preferred ideology for some.
No it's not, but thanks for playing.

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I would say Communism/Fascism is for ants, not thinking, feeling human beings.

OK, that's your opinion. Iraq was neither communist nor fascist. Did you have a point with that line, or are you just trying to distract us from the real argument?
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