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Old 10-10-2005, 03:51 PM   #33 (permalink)
shakran
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I beg to differ - it's everyone's business. It's called Free Trade.
Sorry, but IMO money should not dictate whether or not we assassinate thousands of foreign civilians.


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Going from a dictatorship to a representative form of government is traumatic. Look at it as necessary, therapeutic shock therapy for the mentally ill.
Gee, the United States did it without being forced to by anyone. France helped us out, but only AFTER we'd decided we wanted it for ourselves. And we've lasted more than 200 years, because WE chose to do it. By contrast, how's that forced democracy doin' in Vietnam?

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Are you aware that in countries around the world, there are foreign oil companies of every nationality drilling for oil. Sweden drills for oil in Nigeria, China and Russia have oil companies in South America, Japan has oil companies in Canada, Brazil drills for oil in Angola, etc. etc...It's good for business. And it creates jobs for both countries.
Yes I am aware of that. I do not believe in blood for oil. I do not believe enriching Exxon is worth the lives of our troops and their citizens.



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This is the kind of thing I don't understand about politicians. If Bush would actually take the time and explain the situation in an honest and straightforward matter, things would go so much smoother.
Perhaps, but he hasn't now has he? And since he's been busy lying since he started with this whole war thing, I'm hardly in the mood to trust his motives now.


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Everyone on the planet benefits from a healthy, flourishing Iraq.
You're right! But Iraq is not healthy, it's not flourishing, and it's not going to be any time soon. You speak as though you're seeing a different Iraq than the rest of the world sees. It's nice to fantasize that Iraq is now a paradise, but the cold hard reality is that it's quite the opposite.

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This is giving credibility to Saddam Hussein that I don't believe he deserves. He wasn't the successful leader of a prosperous country seeking honest trade relations, it was armed robbery. The only thing he offered the Kuwaitis was death or enslavement.
And Bush is not successful, and he's not seeking honest trade relations. He's seeking the annihilation of a sovereign nation and he's seeking the rebuilding of that nation in his image. That's not free trade, that's a war crime.



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For what its worth, Saudi Arabia ranks 69th in the world in GDP (per capita). Poland has a higher GDP. Croatia is just behind. The word "underachieve" comes to mind.Someone needs to take responsibility. I believe the rich countries of the world have a responsibility to help the poor countries of the world.8 million people voted for a say in their government. Given the chance, it appears they do want it.
And I believe that those rich countries have a responsibility to let other cultures develop as they will unless those cultures ASK for help.


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Yes, the Vote was forced by removing the obstacle to Choice. In the absence of force, there would be no Vote. Therefore, in the absence of force, there would be no Choice. Return to Dictatorship.
Fine by me. It's not our responsibility to remove all the dictators. The citizens in Iraq far outnumbered Saddam's government. If they'd REALLY wanted democracy, they'd have revolted. You know, kinda like we did when England decided to be dictatorial with us. I know this is hard for you to accept because you refuse to accept as valid any cultural viewpoint but your own, but some cultures don't WANT democracy.
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