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Old 10-08-2005, 06:56 AM   #83 (permalink)
Mantus
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Francisco,

I'll support your idea that we much first disprove free will simply because both your and my question will lead the same outcome.

As I stated, randome events do not give us free will at all. Infact to me, random events and chaos seem less capable of spawning free will. After all, a random or chaotic action has no meaning nor purpose. So while they are certainly free, there is no will behind them.

Indeed I do know the defenition of free will. I am simply stating that the term must have evolved from a very basic idea into what it has become today. While the application of the term expanded it's meaning was never elaborated. Thus we are using a rather base term in very complex arguments.


asairis,

Of course asairis, but an agent causing an uncaused event would make that event meaningless. You proposition grants us freedom, but we would lack will.
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